PLO Hand

[SuuPRlim]

SO I played a kind of interesting hand the other day which has split a few of friends pretty equally, so I thought I'd share it with the blondes and see what everyone thinks.

$25/$50/$100 PLO

5 Handed - UTG (the weakest player at the table by a long way) opens to $300 playing $8.5k

Folds to me in the SB with  (loving it) I make it $1200 playing $17k

MB (Phrlard Friedman, who's extremely good) overcalls covering everyone

BB (Brian Rast, also really really good) overcalls as well playing ~$9k

UTG Calls

Flop ($4800) 

I bet $2800, PF makes it $6k, Brian Rast moves all in for $7,800.

Back to me I have $13.2k behind and EXACTLY $10k behind PF's bet, pot is now $21,400.

The games been pretty solid and I've been pretty quiet because I have a bad seat, I've shown a lot of respect to PF, and am clearly trying to navigate around playing pots with him, my strategy for the most part in the 5 handed lineup has been trying to freeze him and Rast out of pots and isolate the UTG which im sure PF is aware of (i.e he wont think im AA and AA only here) Brian Rast is multi-tabling this game and the $1k win the btn tourney so won't have any idea how the games been playing.

what you think?

[Karabiner]

Wow Dave that is such a tough spot and obviously way bigger than the games that I play but surely Rast has to have at least flopped trip 3's here as he's basically pushing buttons what with playing a few tables.

The thing is that you might very well be ahead of PF and you obviously have some outs whatever, but can you establish a favourable side-pot with him after Rast's shove as it seems unlikely that PF would call an overshove by you with anything that you are beating.

I'm afraid that it's a clear fold for me.

[EvilPie]

Just trying to get my head around the numbers......

If I imagine it's actually .50/1 and I'm sat 170 BBs deep it's a much easier problem to work out and as Ralph says seems like a pretty straight forward fold.

At these stakes though strange things can happen so I really don't know. Very tough spot that's for sure.

How many hands with a 3 in them can Rast really have? He's only 90 BBs deep so unless he's got 3456 or similar or maybe one of the other aces with a matching 3 would he really be calling off so much?

I'm going to stick with thinking that folding is the right idea but I don't know if I actually could. I'm a spew monkey though and would be confident of hitting another Ace if necessary.

[smashedagain]

Threads one big I sat with  X & Y brag. Pitty you hooked two very nice people. Next you will be in a srslysirius video chilling by a pool with 50cent, a bunch of hoes and a couple of Shetland ponies.

[SuuPRlim]

Threads one big I sat with  X & Y brag. Pitty you hooked two very nice people. Next you will be in a srslysirius video chilling by a pool with 50cent, a bunch of hoes and a couple of Shetland ponies.

lol trust me id really rather they'd have been sat at a table in the hustler having tits rubbed in their face then both directly on my left, in fact id have bought them both a dance.

[pokerfan]

What you make off PFs raise size ?

[smashedagain]

Threads one big I sat with  X & Y brag. Pitty you hooked two very nice people. Next you will be in a srslysirius video chilling by a pool with 50cent, a bunch of hoes and a couple of Shetland ponies.

lol trust me id really rather they'd have been sat at a table in the hustler having tits rubbed in their face then both directly on my left, in fact id have bought them both a dance.

lol. Game selections all wrong in my opinion. Need more Sam Grizzle pha.

[SuuPRlim]

What you make off PFs raise size ?

It's pretty sharky/stnd because he can be bluffing, whereas much bigger and he'll prolly be defo calling off when i jam. IDK if he actually IS bluffing here ever on this board with two people with Pot Sized bets behind him (like 556 he's way more likely to be bluffing) bu if he ever was bluffing I'm sure he'd used this raise size, after all i'm never folding AA with the nfd to just his raise on the flop so really his sizing on the flop isn't going to affect my reaction too much most of the time it's just either i have a hand to jam or I don't. This is the only raise size I could beam all in over "light" though.

In actual fact I would never 3bet jam this flop "light" ever and he prolly knows that but still there's no need to go for any other raise size in this spot - the main reason why a pot raise otf might be good is cos you can better rep the NFD but that's not too much of a worry here cos there's a high chance once i 3bet the flop and cbet that I have that card in my hand.

[Dry em]

If 2 ppl have PSB left, what do you think of checking the flop and seeing what's happening when it comes back around to you?

Alternatively betting 1k?

[SuuPRlim]

If 2 ppl have PSB left, what do you think of checking the flop and seeing what's happening when it comes back around to you?

Alternatively betting 1k?

Well, the pot is $4.8k otf and BR has ~$8k and the other guy has $7k~ at the time I though it was just an auto lead as I can get in it comfortably vs anyone and would have a b/f fold range here as well. what action am I realistically fold to otf, if BR pots and UTG ships then I still think i need to get it in, and given there is an EP opener (5hnded admittedly) and 2 overcalls there isn't realistically going to be too many 3's knocking about so I think it'll get checked through quite a bit as I really cant see Rast or UTG just bangin git in with nothing and I think PF pretty unlikely to stab completely airballing when two guys can get it in behind.

It's not the worst board in the world to get checked through mind, although I think can miss out on a ton of value considering I have a really easy flop call or 3b jam vs PF.

That being said I can't come up with any reasons why it wouldn't be a good play to check the flop, I chose my betsize because it's roughly 45% of the UTG's stack, PF and BR likely to notice this and I think it makes a bit of a difference cos it looks like im setting up a ship over the UTG all in.

Obv PF betting and BR shipping is the abso nut low result on the flop. What you do now Karly?

[Skgv]

Wow sick spot u put ur self into here! I take it this is online ? Once utg raises an PF flats I guess they both goin call ur 3 bet from sb 9/10 so don't like it now u have inflated the pot pre when its odds on they will call especially as B rast cold calls from bb it's now 100% the other 2 will call with a nice juicy pot formed. Did u consider just flatting pre or was you comfortable to reraise out of postion against these 2 players as you probaly didn't think the bb would tag along?

[pokerfan]

Mash it in.

Can only be good for the game.

[outragous76]

The more I read hands like this, the more I think my fold in St Kitts was absoltely standard!

As someone having played <300 PLO hands lifetime - this is quite clearly a jam!    - if nothing else there are loooaadddssss of aces left in the deck!

[SuuPRlim]

Mash it in.

Can only be good for the game.

Now we're talking my language

Wow sick spot u put ur self into here! I take it this is online ? Once utg raises an PF flats I guess they both goin call ur 3 bet from sb 9/10 so don't like it now u have inflated the pot pre when its odds on they will call especially as B rast cold calls from bb it's now 100% the other 2 will call with a nice juicy pot formed. Did u consider just flatting pre or was you comfortable to reraise out of postion against these 2 players as you probaly didn't think the bb would tag along?

You've mis-read the HH i think big C, UTG opens to $300 and I make it $1200 in the SB (there are three mandatory blinds in this game) so the only person to have voluntarily entered the pot at this stage in the UTG player who is the weaker player and only PF has more than 100 big blinds - seems like a abso mandatory 3bet to me as I am going to  force PF and BR out of the pot most of the time and get to play vs the UTG with 2.5x the pot back and a super magnum hand.

Sure PF knows I have a super sick hand and we're 17k deep and he's IP but it would be pretty suicidal of him to come along with a bad hand just to try spite get there against me when he knows the pot is a lock to be 3way and he isn't closing the action.

This being said though a few people have said I should flat pre-flop and if UTG or BR was covering me I would have defo flatted, but in reality all i need to do is get through PF and I have a really easy hand to play post-flop, even if Rast overcalls from the BB.  I guess as well my hand is going to play pretty good from the SB as i have a good stack to c/r vs BR and UTG on lots of flops.

[Skgv]

Mash it in.

Can only be good for the game.

Now we're talking my language

Wow sick spot u put ur self into here! I take it this is online ? Once utg raises an PF flats I guess they both goin call ur 3 bet from sb 9/10 so don't like it now u have inflated the pot pre when its odds on they will call especially as B rast cold calls from bb it's now 100% the other 2 will call with a nice juicy pot formed. Did u consider just flatting pre or was you comfortable to reraise out of postion against these 2 players as you probaly didn't think the bb would tag along?

You've mis-read the HH i think big C, UTG opens to $300 and I make it $1200 in the SB (there are three mandatory blinds in this game) so the only person to have voluntarily entered the pot at this stage in the UTG player who is the weaker player and only PF has more than 100 big blinds - seems like a abso mandatory 3bet to me as I am going to  force PF and BR out of the pot most of the time and get to play vs the UTG with 2.5x the pot back and a super magnum hand.

Sure PF knows I have a super sick hand and we're 17k deep and he's IP but it would be pretty suicidal of him to come along with a bad hand just to try spite get there against me when he knows the pot is a lock to be 3way and he isn't closing the action.

This being said though a few people have said I should flat pre-flop and if UTG or BR was covering me I would have defo flatted, but in reality all i need to do is get through PF and I have a really easy hand to play post-flop, even if Rast overcalls from the BB.  I guess as well my hand is going to play pretty good from the SB as i have a good stack to c/r vs BR and UTG on lots of flops.

ahhh ok that changes things ! Is this Live ?