Best flop line with two pair?

[cambridgealex]

50euro freezeout. 16 left out of 400ish. We are opening a lot.

Seat 1: ptimanu14 (796623)
Seat 3: ben210 64 (404612)
Seat 4: kitkat688 (301012)
Seat 5: halteatout (367001)
Seat 6: Sr Croissant (728559)
ANTE/BLINDS
ben210 64 posts ante 1250
kitkat688 posts ante 1250
ptimanu14 posts ante 1250
halteatout posts ante 1250
Sr Croissant posts ante 1250
ben210 64 posts small blind 5000
kitkat688 posts big blind 10000
Dealt to Sr Croissant
 
PRE-FLOP
halteatout folds
Sr Croissant raises 10000 to 20000
ptimanu14 calls 20000
ben210 64 calls 15000
kitkat688 folds
FLOP
 
ben210 64 checks
Sr Croissant bets 26555
ptimanu14 calls 26555
ben210 64 raises 47220 to 73775
Sr Croissant

the btn who peels my cbet has the same stack as me (about 750k) and the check raiser has 325k

[cambridgealex]

think all 3 options have merits. flatting, clicking and jamming.

[Doobs]

This is .fr, surely we bet more on the flop?   I just keep betting there with most opponents, just no need to get tricky.  So 4 bet 180, call either.  If they call, just keeping on betting on the turn.

I'd be more tempted to get tricky on stars than the other one. 

[jezza777]

I like flaring here to see what the other big stack does.

[muckthenuts]

He isn't repping anything at all, wouldn't want to fold out any of his bluffs. Clicking it could be cool to try induce a shove but would prob need a decent read.

Jamming could look weak but don't think there's quite enough of a likelihood he'll be calling off to make it better than the other 2

[TL900]

clicking > calling > jamming > folding.

Think clicking is the best by far actually

[stato_1]

Any sort of read would help, nothing special, but fish/reg would be a start

[tight4better]

Prob clicking this

[Pugwashed]

I think calling > clicking > jamming > folding. Calling just seems by far the best option tho.

[pleno1]

call is by far the best line here.

If the board was K92 then ok, but K74 there are significantly less hands with equity that will jusr cram. You can't expect QJ or something to cram here but on boards like 872 where we have 2 pair its far better to click as they can spew even 1 over card etc.

clicking it seems quite bad imo.

[muckthenuts]

call is by far the best line here.

If the board was K92 then ok, but K74 there are significantly less hands with equity that will jusr cram. You can't expect QJ or something to cram here but on boards like 872 where we have 2 pair its far better to click as they can spew even 1 over card etc.

good post

[youthnkzR]

Too many people overthinking and overcomplicating things here. Call.

[Mondeoman]

call is by far the best line here.

If the board was K92 then ok, but K74 there are significantly less hands with equity that will jusr cram. You can't expect QJ or something to cram here but on boards like 872 where we have 2 pair its far better to click as they can spew even 1 over card etc.

clicking it seems quite bad imo.

mmmm agreeing with pleno again.  In theory clicking here can represent a bluff but in practice it almost always means nutz - unless you think opponent is v bad and v spewy just call.

[cambridgealex]

call is by far the best line here.

If the board was K92 then ok, but K74 there are significantly less hands with equity that will jusr cram. You can't expect QJ or something to cram here but on boards like 872 where we have 2 pair its far better to click as they can spew even 1 over card etc.

clicking it seems quite bad imo.

mmmm agreeing with pleno again.  In theory clicking here can represent a bluff but in practice it almost always means nutz - unless you think opponent is v bad and v spewy just call.

can we ever be bluffing if we call though?

[pleno1]

call is by far the best line here.

If the board was K92 then ok, but K74 there are significantly less hands with equity that will jusr cram. You can't expect QJ or something to cram here but on boards like 872 where we have 2 pair its far better to click as they can spew even 1 over card etc.

clicking it seems quite bad imo.

mmmm agreeing with pleno again.  In theory clicking here can represent a bluff but in practice it almost always means nutz - unless you think opponent is v bad and v spewy just call.

i think vs all opponents calling is best here, an ace can come or board can pair or bring a fd or some additional equity. A bad aggro player just usually raises and then folds when we click.

call is by far the best line here.

If the board was K92 then ok, but K74 there are significantly less hands with equity that will jusr cram. You can't expect QJ or something to cram here but on boards like 872 where we have 2 pair its far better to click as they can spew even 1 over card etc.

clicking it seems quite bad imo.

mmmm agreeing with pleno again.  In theory clicking here can represent a bluff but in practice it almost always means nutz - unless you think opponent is v bad and v spewy just call.

can we ever be bluffing if we call though?

I don't think that matters though, its all about trying to get the maximum vs player type+hand+board

On this board

Tight player

-> Value range is prolly just sets = beats us
-> Bluff range. nits can always spaz and in this case would just have something completely random = we crush and will crush ott too

Spewy player

-> Value range = prolly non existent, or dont have to worry about it because bluff combos massively outweight
-> Bluff range, completely random crap or some back door, j9 w/fd or something idk = we crush and will crush ott too

On the turn, I would c/shove anything that is connected with the board and call down on total bricks because of this specific texture.