500nl Zoom, Thin Turn shove?

[pleno1]

PokerStars Zoom Hand #93952292055:  Hold'em No Limit ($2.50/$5.00) - 2013/02/12 23:52:36 CET [2013/02/12 17:52:36 ET]
Table 'Lambda Velorum' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Bwd26 ($507.50 in chips)
Seat 2: pads1161 ($1849.19 in chips)
Seat 3: BKA12 ($511.26 in chips)
Seat 4: Fairy verde ($257.50 in chips)
Seat 5: DonJanbo ($654.02 in chips)
Seat 6: dynamicnag ($2458.72 in chips)
pads1161: posts small blind $2.50
BKA12: posts big blind $5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pads1161 [ ]
Fairy verde: folds
DonJanbo: folds
dynamicnag: folds
Bwd26: folds
pads1161: raises $10 to $15
BKA12: raises $30 to $45
pads1161: calls $30
*** FLOP *** [ ]
pads1161: checks
BKA12: bets $52.50
pads1161: raises $82.50 to $135
BKA12: calls $82.50
*** TURN *** [ ] []
pads1161:

Readless, thoughts here?

[PutYouOnAK/AQ]

Pleno you always post the most complicated PHA's!

If we're shoving here aren't we bluiffing nearly all the time?  We may get folds from jj-kk but how often do you expect to get called by worse?

[pleno1]

Pleno you always post the most complicated PHA's!

If we're shoving here aren't we bluiffing nearly all the time?  We may get folds from jj-kk but how often do you expect to get called by worse?

well if something is simple, why would i post it? :S

i dont expect 9x/10x to fold ott.

[dwayne110]

He's reraised you pre, with a stack of $511 to your $1849, so we have to assume strong a strong range. Hands he 'might' fold (JJ,QQ) but I reckon he's turning up with AA/AK/AQ more often here, particularly given the flat to your raise on the flop. So I think most of the time you're bluffing into his range of hands on the turn. A turn shove is often going to be interpreted as an attempt to rep the Ace, or semi-bluffing Q-J type hands. If you are continuing I think a bet of $175-180 achieves the same as the all in, as to him you'll look pot committed anyway?

[outragous76]

Pretty su rePleno is looking to get called by worse, not so much fold better

I persoanlly think you need dynamic for that so rush aint the place imo

[PutYouOnAK/AQ]

Disagree that villain will show up with ak/aq nearly always gonna fold these otf as these hands have v little equity vs our perceived range.

[rfgqqabc]

Fold pre???

[skolsuper]

Yeah turn shove definitely doesn't work as a bluff, so title is accurate.  In general the bar needs to be set pretty high for a value bet as you need to be called by more worse hands than better (there could be some merit in betting for protection).  Since villain can have a very large number of better hands that call, I think this is very unlikely to be a good spot for a thin value bet, even if all his 9x and Tx are calling (also unlikely).  I way prefer check/fold, as imo check/raises get more respect in 3b pots, or if you really think you're good most of the time then check/shove is better than just shoving imo.

Also r/folding pre, might 4b/f versus a lot of people at normal 6m but I feel like at zoom there aren't many 3b/f's about, although I haven't played it much.

[pleno1]

zoom500 plays way different to any game, ever. KTo is in my 4betting range as standard, but i defend wider vs these hero's.