12bb btn jam, sb calling range?

[cambridgealex]

It's definitely wrong to call A2s but "not feel good about pairs less than 77/88", pokerstove shows that it's not even close.

[pleno1]

66 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a2

[MANTIS01]

Calling 22/33 might be correct but think it gives villain a free shot at the double up he needs where he dominates us way more than we dominate him and lets him max his equity with an atc shove. Don't like doing these favours for oppos regardless of the maths

[PathFinder]

As Barry G said.....

PS: We are folding 22 BTW

[cambridgealex]

Calling 22/33 might be correct but think it gives villain a free shot at the double up he needs where he dominates us way more than we dominate him and lets him max his equity with an atc shove. Don't like doing these favours for oppos regardless of the maths

You can't disregard the maths in a spot like this! Maths is all there is too it!

[MANTIS01]

If maths is all there is to it what about game flow? You are bossing a table, taking down multiple uncontested pots, and you will call off 1/3 of your ammo to give weaker player free shots because of pokerstove 2%?

[cambridgealex]

If maths is all there is to it what about game flow? You are bossing a table, taking down multiple uncontested pots, and you will call off 1/3 of your ammo to give weaker player free shots because of pokerstove 2%?

And as I've said twice before, that is taken into the Maths in the first place by shaving 5-10% of the hands off the bottom of the "correct" calling range. Giving us a new range that is +EV by more than just 2%.

[Young_gun]

Personally i don't see why suited makes that much of a difference, im not calling A3o or suited here. True  its ok by math's thats assuming you have his range spot on...

Would much prefer stick further to the top of our range so we are crushing and not losing 1/3rd of our chips. Seems an unnecessary spot to call here would much rather put someone under some pressure then to call of superlight when you dont need to.

 

[PathFinder]

You are bossing a table, taking down multiple uncontested pots

This is unconfirmed

[MANTIS01]

Even so, would prefer to use my chips for raising rather than calling when the margins are so close and the oppos are bad

[david3103]

Est his range to be this sort of thing 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J5s+,T6s+,95s+,85s+,74s+,64s+,54s,A2o+,K2o+,Q7o+,J7o+,T8o+,98o,87o

we're calling 11.5bbs to win 12+0.5+1+1 so 14.5 so we need 44.2% equity to b/e.

BB calls behind with 99+AJ+ ish (5%) so considering that and preserving stack etc, we'd rather have about 50% equity.

Which means we should call roughly: 33, A2s, A5o, K9o, K7s, QJo, QTs.

Seems on the lose side, but would only slice one/two hands of each group in game.

I called A3s and it felt looseish. Wouldn't have called K9s or A6o though.

Is that range the one you would be shoving in his shoes ie the one that he 'should' be shoving? in my limited experience it's remarkable how often we run into the 'top of his range' simply because he never shoves the 50% at the bottom of it.

[doubleup]

Antes?

yes - doesn't this make a big difference to his pushing range?

[pleno1]

its the .fr 6m, he probably has .

[wazz]

Even so, would prefer to use my chips for raising rather than calling when the margins are so close and the oppos are bad

If we call and lose we can still use our chips for raising. Calling and winning gives us more of a chance to boss the table with 2x the the guy who has position on us. Against a bad player it's likely he will give us more opportunities to take his stack in the future but this is often overrated and in tournament poker you're giving playing into aggressive opponents hands if you react to his aggression by folding too much.

Against someone jamming loose, who is acting before us, we just have to take the gamble a bit wider than we otherwise would. By the time we wait for a big enough hand he will have stolen enough blinds to get up to a bigger stack, by which point he's narrowed his jamming range or stops jamming altogether. My first thought was 55+,A8o+,A5s+,KJo+,KTs+. I think that's still my thought actually.

Personally i don't see why suited makes that much of a difference, im not calling A3o or suited here. True  its ok by math's thats assuming you have his range spot on...

Being suited matters because it gives us more equity! Fairly standard when constructing calling ranges to be wider with suited hands than unsuited. When we're all-in preflop, playability matters less, i.e. being suited with stacks left to play for is good because it gives us more chances to win the pot by semibluffing draws, but the raw hot-and-cold equity of being suited is significant.

[wazz]

Antes?

yes - doesn't this make a big difference to his pushing range?

Possibly, and it also means we have better odds.