Limp discussion- When is it good to limp in poker?

[SuuPRlim]

Quite like limping 9 handed PLO games quite a bit, loads of spots come along with aggro players behind you where people have hands they can 3bet you with, but can't ISO you with, so if you have a nice multi-way hand it's cool to just limp (even open limp) hands with nut suits and big pairs are great examples of this. AJJ2 for example, really sucks to be calling a 3bet OOP with, but a great hand to be going 4 way to the flop with for not loads of money.

Also if I have a good player in the BB i pretty much limp 100% SB vs BB (of the hands i dont want to just fold that is)

[Honeybadger]

A few of the nosebleed guys have been experimenting with open limping their entire continuing range in the SB at both NLHE and PLO, and having a limp/calling, limp/raising and limp/folding range. Sauce123 for example... he also open limps buttons a bit at PLO I think.

I've been messing around with open limping the SB at 6max NLHE recently. It's actually quite fun - because some of the bad multitabling regs just auto-raise every single time. I had a 7 from 7 success rate (i.e. they folded like girls) on my limp-reraises in one session. Made me smile.

It used to be something I never even considered doing, for no other reason than because it 'wasn't standard'. Dogmatic thinking like this is really bad IMO. Try it out and if you find that regs are adjusting terribly to a bit of open limping then keep doing it. A few years ago there was a reg in the 200NL games that played a huge amount of tables and regularly open limped, as well as doing all sorts of other 'non-standard' stuff. I had him marked down as a fish at first, but then it turned out he was winning at ~2bb/100 over a million hands whilst 16 tabling (for those not cognisant of achievable win-rates at 6max NLHE this is a pretty good win rate considering the number of tables he played). It worked well enough for him.

No idea about tournament poker with all the boring marginally interesting stack size dynamic stuff, but I gather many MTT guys are open limping the button quite a bit HU at certain stack depths.

It is definitely good to open limp in 8/9 handed live PLO, PLO8, Superstud etc games and Lil'Dave gives a perfect example of the type of hand you want to do it with. At Padooki I once experimented with a 100% open limp UTG strategy. But I played so few hands UTG that it never really got interesting.

[Young_gun]

Still haven't seen a good enough reason Imo why to limp sb vs bb

Squid hope ur enjoyin vegas, love ur interviews

[AlexMartin]

Still haven't seen a good enough reason Imo why to limp sb vs bb

Squid hope ur enjoyin vegas, love ur interviews

gets boring folding 58s all the time

[SuuPRlim]

last time I changed my ipoker name I tried limping UTG in 6m PLO.

The reason for the experiment was that it's very hard to make money UTG in PLO, aside from the stnd method of just playing insanely tight, and it's frustrating, spesh with weaker players in the blinds not to be able to play some nice hands.

I was limping MOSTLY to limp call, I was even including bad AA hands in my limp call range, I also had a limp 3bet range which at the start was tight and not too AA heavy (I was limp/calling a wider range of AA than was preferable, so Magnum non AA hands like AKQTds were making up most of the limp 3bet range) reason for this was that on an unknown account name people would prolly give an UTG limp 3bet AA the vast majoirty of the time, so were ISO/folding hands like good KK and iso/calling the rundown hands my range was dominating. As a few showdowns occured though people were adjusting by iso/4betting more KK/AKQ[J/T] hands and being a little more wary of my limp-calls post flop.

I persevered with the strategy for weeks but eventually I just myself putting chips in IP with too weak of a range, and it really takes a super well formed and perfectly implemented strategy to aleviate that disadvantage. You're much better off just Opening to POT with a very strong range, it's not a super sicko strategy but it's pretty easy and with 100bb stacks and half a clue what you're doing it's still not massively profitable but very hard to be fucked about with.

Limping getting kinda "cool" since Sauce started with it, but have to remember how your overall range is affected, ad the visibility of the later streets i.e any position where you have a limping range, but also a raising range is going to affect each range adversely. And as I said earlier lot of limping spots would often have just played better as a fold or a raise.

[titaniumbean]

Still haven't seen a good enough reason Imo why to limp sb vs bb

Squid hope ur enjoyin vegas, love ur interviews

surely if the ev of limp is > ev of raise or > neutral then we should be doing it ldo

makes total sense to do it bvb vs competent aggressive players.

[Young_gun]

Still haven't seen a good enough reason Imo why to limp sb vs bb

Squid hope ur enjoyin vegas, love ur interviews

surely if the ev of limp is > ev of raise or > neutral then we should be doing it ldo

makes total sense to do it bvb vs competent aggressive players.

Can u explain more plz bean or on skype laters, I agree if ev is better to limp but sb vs bb still doesnt seem great surely less likely to vs good aggro as they have position and would be easier vs a weak/passive type

[titaniumbean]

Still haven't seen a good enough reason Imo why to limp sb vs bb

Squid hope ur enjoyin vegas, love ur interviews

surely if the ev of limp is > ev of raise or > neutral then we should be doing it ldo

makes total sense to do it bvb vs competent aggressive players.

Can u explain more plz bean or on skype laters, I agree if ev is better to limp but sb vs bb still doesnt seem great surely less likely to vs good aggro as they have position and would be easier vs a weak/passive type

why is it not great? why is it easy to play oop vs an aggressive player, potentially with deep stacks.

why is it great to fold a chunk of our range when given 3-1+ preflop?