hypothetical wsop spot

[titaniumbean]

obv just call KK+

then when it folds round you can be all chat tilted about how you were calling fours there and you had such a sweat as you thought you'd paired up but then only found the 45o etc.

verbally widen your range whilst just actually calling with the nizzleys imo

[theprawnidentity]

obv just call KK+

Vs a blind shove?

[titaniumbean]

utg 1 vs utg? at a 10 handed table with 2 hour blinds and 300bigs to start?


is it me and 9 iveys? and we're last in the b/order!?


obv wider in bb with no one left to act.

+ gotta remember theres a diff between saying yeh bruv 22+ and A3o+ cos im a balla and theres like a 0.6897754 edge there. then actually flying there paying 10k and sitting at the table and flicking it in.......

[pleno1]

Jj and kk is the same though because pele behind are folding kings I guess

[titaniumbean]

Jj and kk is the same though because pele behind are folding kings I guess

ldo it depends on your table makeup, how tough, when breaking, assumed calling ranges, like if all other players at the table are as certain as we are that he's blind then their ranges will ldo be based on their perception of our range entirely.


think it's just dumb to try and sound kewl by giving a really wide range because you can show that vs a random hand we are passing up some small edge.


ME is an awesome comp for non showdown crushaments

[Young_gun]

AK 1010+ probs.

Really thats not good, i'd say only AA possibly Kk But depends on villain

Folding kk is absurd

Wouldnt be my default in fact the opposite, think anything less then KK is too riskay and we would need a super read to call queens or worse. Not worth the risk

[theprawnidentity]

Oh shit, I didnt see UTG+1.




Alright so assuming an overcalling range for all stacks of AA/KK, we can profitably call with:

(41.0%) 33+,A2+,K2s+,K4o+,Q4s+,Q8o+,J7s+,J9o+,T8s+

Obviously this is a perfect cEV calling range so pretty much not relevant.  If we say we want a 20% edge (6000 chips), we can call with:

(10.4%) 66+,A8s+,ATo+,KTs+

A 30% (9k chips) cEV edge is:

(3.5%) 88+,AKs

If we require a 50% edge (15k chips), we can call with:

(1.4%) QQ+

All you have to do is decide what your stack is worth to you (which is obviously going to be different for individuals).

[titaniumbean]

ooooook


so what range should a player use depending on the markup they sold at ie assuming that they were at least providing a breakeven steak!

[titaniumbean]

also it's so dreamy to be all exact and say everyone folds all bar AA or KK but then you read the updates and men open utg and snap 80 bigs with 34s vs 4 other all in players....

you cannot always allow for the russians

[Boba Fett]

If people are folding AA then shouldnt you just shove all in blind every hand?  How long does it take the person folding AA to widen their range?

[theprawnidentity]

ooooook


so what range should a player use depending on the markup they sold at ie assuming that they were at least providing a breakeven steak!

I prefer mine medium rare, so wouldn't like to comment.

Of course, if you sold at 1.5 then QQ is a snap fold.  AA nets 21562 and KK 18334.

If people are folding AA then shouldnt you just shove all in blind every hand?  How long does it take the person folding AA to widen their range?

For this to be relevant one player would have to shove every hand to allow us no post flop opporunities to gain a bigger edge.

[titaniumbean]

I was just making a point that many people claim to expect massive rois, yet here we have people trying to justify going as high variance as possible.

red line winnings ftw, who even wins allins ever!?

[theprawnidentity]

I was just making a point that many people claim to expect massive rois, yet here we have people trying to justify going as high variance as possible.

red line winnings ftw, who even wins allins ever!?

If someone in here has claimed they will call with less equity then they said they would sell at then go all Timex on their ass and call them out, imo.  

[titaniumbean]

bankoftitties


now who wouldn't bank with dem :p

[SuuPRlim]

we would need a super read to call queens or worse. Not worth the risk

what kind of super reads you gonna get on a blind 300 big blind shove?