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« on: July 09, 2013, 11:54:00 AM »

150/300/25. table is amazing. Probably the softest table of the summer even with Jake there. Taking low variance lines where possible and Jake and I haven't tangled at all really. I'm down to 24k from 30k starting, Jake has doubled through on of the villains in the hand, and has loads - 75k+

Jake opens utg+1 800, MP flats, hijack flats folds to me in bb I raise to 3100 with . Jake makes it 5700. MP and hijack fold. I have 21 back after my 3bet. WWYD and why? (hijack and MP are both recs, one tight, one v spewy)

My perception of Jake is that he's a very smart player who will probably not be taking high variance lines either in this tournament on this table. I think he gets so many donations that he doesn't need to go to war with me in spots like this. Having said that, he knows I won't wanna get in 80bbs without a huge hand for the same reasons, so it makes it a good spot for him to fk with me esp when he has me well covered. We have some history from 2011 where he's seen me make two spewy jams deep in the Monte Carlo. So if I had to guess I'd say he might think I was liable to put it in lightish generally. I've grown up a lot since then Cheesy

I obv don't wanna just flip for stacks vs JJ or QQ, and would feel like I'd made a massive mistake if I jam and run into AA/KK and bust level 4 of the main event getting in 80bbs with AK on a soft table. Having said that, folding seems bad, and peeling doesn't seem much better.
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2013, 12:00:37 PM »

Surely when you 3b you had a plan for if he pulled the 4b out. What was this plan and what made you change your mind? Or was there not a plan? Did you expect folds/peels.

As played it is a horrible spot but i def wouldnt be folding here. Is it almost worth a peel and play the hand out. Must be getting the right price even vs a monster.

Maybe my answer isnt the most helpful but im a firm believer in having a plan for all eventualities when i'm putting chips in.
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2013, 12:00:55 PM »

I would just flat pre if I didn't want to go with it
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2013, 12:13:09 PM »

I don't mind clicking it back or just jamming.  If he has AA/KK, get there imo.  Assuming that he knows you're capable, this is just such an obvious squeeze spot and he has to give you no credit for a hand.  I'm really torn between shoving and 8300 call (I'm really not sure what looks weaker).
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2013, 12:16:36 PM »


I obv don't wanna just flip for stacks vs JJ or QQ, and would feel like I'd made a massive mistake if I jam and run into AA/KK and bust level 4 of the main event getting in 80bbs with AK on a soft table. Having said that, folding seems bad, and peeling doesn't seem much better.

Sometimes we have to go with it though Sad

We are getting such an outrageous price that folding seems very very meh. If the table is that outrageous we should flat pre?



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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2013, 12:24:19 PM »

This Jake Cody kid seems v talented. Absolutely disgusting spot. everything seems shit, every option is a level. Probably let him have this one, seen as the table is so good. Maybe jam it in his eye later with J2 or something
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2013, 12:31:13 PM »

I'm going with it. Reckon he knows he can put u in a shit spot even with a hand this strong. Problem is its really awkward re sizing because if u go too small he may peel in pos. In his eye all in.
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2013, 12:32:35 PM »

We're getting a nice price to flop A or K (probability c.40% if you hold QQ, so basic tinkering says 2/1ish at worst) and win chips. Plus our cool-haired villain is not going to get all fancy Dan on that kind of flop, so is there any harm in taking an unusual line of "call, then either c/f or bet, depending on if we hit"?

ABC ftw?
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2013, 12:32:53 PM »

Beautiful 4b/f spot for him, puts you in a coffin with his entire opening range. Especially considering his stack size.

I overcall pre this early in this tournament to try find some hearts.

As played, 8900/c, jam any flop if he peels. Never peeling the 4b due to spr. Peeling and folding would be horrif imo.
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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2013, 12:33:40 PM »

I'm trying to play this as a very specific situation, so an abnormal line seems logical.
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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2013, 12:39:41 PM »

sizes seem nice to stick it in his eye here. circa 10k in pot and we are jamming 18k more.

Although I am an advocate of clicking it back, we just don't have enough chips to make it work, so getting em in seems about our only play.

I don't hate folding fwiw, given soft table and the like, but in that case id have been peeling pre (which I think would have been my actual play in this spot)
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2013, 12:40:15 PM »

He can spend bout 7% of his stack to find out if a guy playing low variance wants to commit 100% of his
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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2013, 12:43:40 PM »

He can spend bout 7% of his stack to find out if a guy playing low variance wants to commit 100% of his

This is why I think jamming is the least favourable option.

Against me, it's a no brainer (as, you PHA lot have successfully argued any number of times, am I); but this is someone who knows what they are doing and you have an otherwise delightful set of tablemates.
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2013, 12:44:12 PM »

All in imo. Not wanting to take high variance lines for him will make this more likely to be a bluff and less for value since getting in JJ here for him is kinda thin and high variance but bluffing is not.
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2013, 12:46:27 PM »

Also I've been thinking a bunch about the main event. Everyone is taking incredibly nitty/low variances lines cos they dont wanna bust cos of their massive hedge etc etc. Surely if you stop taking a bunch of winning lines you have far less of an edge anyway. Also, if everyone if playing tight it is even more reason for you to go off like a train
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