Where do we go from here?

[Oxford_HRV]

$3r 2xTurbo WCOOP 6max satty im currently 3/8

5th gets $142

top 4 get ($215) seats.


Table '781038642 4' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: DrummerBoyAK (117910 in chips)
Seat 3: HERO (122334 in chips)
Seat 4: fellatiado (131217 in chips)
Seat 5: Annechino83 (82700 in chips)
DrummerBoyAK: posts the ante 800
HERO: posts the ante 800
fellatiado: posts the ante 800
Annechino83: posts the ante 800
Annechino83: posts small blind 4000
DrummerBoyAK: posts big blind 8000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [ ]
HERO: raises 8000 to 16000
fellatiado: raises 114417 to 130417 and is all-in
Annechino83: folds
DrummerBoyAK: folds

HERO: ... 


Villain is new to the table since we broke to two tables, and has minned UTG v my BB every time and got it through.

 first UTG hand on the table was a fold. i think we are 4 laps in. it was a real mouse hovering puke coin flip click decision for me.

what are you guys doing?

[outragous76]

too far from the money to pass this imo

And just jam pre

[Doobs]

too far from the money to pass this imo

And just jam pre

Yuck..

I think fold now, but definitely jam first.  Min raising these cards at this stage with that stack is terrible.

[George2Loose]

Agree jam pre fold now

[Rexas]

I think I'd find it hard to fold this four handed this far from the money, we gotta take the structure into account a little and say we're gonna have even less big blinds very soon, and we may be unlikely to find a hand as good as this in that time. We'll certainly be forced to shove pretty light pretty often just to try and stay a float.

Agree with others that this is a jam pre though, we have a good hand but hate spots like this, and at this stage in the satellite, we're not gonna be expecting to see flops so any raise with a hand we aren't going to call with pretty quickly is basically a preflop bluff, and I'd hate to be doing that with a hand as strong as AJ this short handed and short stacked (in terms of bbs). Blinds and ante's are worth a ton to us too.

[George2Loose]

This far away? Only have to lose half the field. If the guy is decent his re shove range will be pretty tight. We can jam unopened and pick up chips.

[LPS]

Defo just jam pre imo

[PathFinder]

Does anyone feel we widen Villian's "get it in" range by raise calling rather than just shoving? Obviously we open ourselves up to more variance by raise calling but just thought i would put it out there

[NoCardDSC]

Yep, pretty easy jam pre imo.

[the rage]

I appreciate that it's a turbo and that you only have 15bb, but, as it's a satellite, is raise/folding really that bad? I actually think that villian has a pretty tight jamming range here. AJ is probably in poor shape against the villian on your immediate left, but even if he, or the blinds, choose to jam light, your tournament is still at serious risk.
 It's a RAISE/FOLD for me

[SuuPRlim]

dont forget there is some value in making him that sub section of his range where he'd jam over an open but would fold to a jam. yes we have a better hand than him in that instance but he'll have 35% vs us and winning the pot uncontested is very valuable.

[Oxford_HRV]

Does anyone feel we widen Villian's "get it in" range by raise calling rather than just shoving? Obviously we open ourselves up to more variance by raise calling but just thought i would put it out there

^my thoughts  in game, my worst habit is over levelling myself though.

i had been a super nit-rock all comp and most probably percieved as weak tight by any thinking player, i 100% agree jam pre is the best line, but i'm confident the two players not involved would fold out every hand they bluff 3b shove with that we crush. Also we have magically played this somehow as a complete freezeout so i decided to call considering i need to play for stacks and this win would basically lock a seat for tree dollas, villain was playing the most % and i'd probs shoot myself in the face for not jamming pre if i raise fold in a game this shallow.

AJ>KQ 

[wazz]

Jam pre and fold now