SIck spot vs good solid reg in $320 tilt

[action man]

villain is good solid reg


Full Tilt Poker Game #33776725408: Three For Thursday (263284658), Table 6 - NL Hold'em - 300/600 Ante 75 - 22:28:31 WET - 2014/01/16 [17:28:31 ET - 2014/01/16]
Seat 1: d_quang (12,420)
Seat 2: Adzizzy124 (16,348)
Seat 3: TheClaimer (28,212)
Seat 5: DownByDaBridge (27,880)
Seat 8: SmurfeHits (27,979)
Seat 9: BAWSIN (16,092)
d_quang antes 75
Adzizzy124 antes 75
TheClaimer antes 75
DownByDaBridge antes 75
SmurfeHits antes 75
BAWSIN antes 75
BAWSIN posts the small blind of 300
d_quang posts the big blind of 600
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TheClaimer [ As]
Adzizzy124 folds
TheClaimer raises to 1,200
DownByDaBridge has 15 seconds left to act
DownByDaBridge has timed out
DownByDaBridge folds
DownByDaBridge is sitting out
SmurfeHits calls 1,200
BAWSIN has 15 seconds left to act
DownByDaBridge has returned
BAWSIN calls 900
d_quang folds
*** FLOP *** [ ] (Total Pot: 4,650, 3 Players)
BAWSIN bets 1,800
TheClaimer raises to 4,200
SmurfeHits has 15 seconds left to act
SmurfeHits raises to 7,800
BAWSIN folds
TheClaimer has 15 seconds left to act
TheClaimer has requested TIME
HighLight89 sits down
daisyxoxo sits down
veiberg sits down
TheClaimer calls 3,600
*** TURN *** [ ] [] (Total Pot: 22,050, 2 Players)
TheClaimer checks
SmurfeHits bets 18,904, and is all in
TheClaimer has 15 seconds left to act
TheClaimer has requested TIME

[Dubai]

Typed decent post with ranges, maths etc but on phone and it deleted it. Basically pretty straight forward assuming you put him similar range

Call

[action man]

the donk leader is probably worst ever to show in a $320 which makes things a little different and changes villains rainge a little

[pleno1]

Absolutely hating life after flop gets 3bet. AA is really low down in our flop value raising range here and by e time we get to the turn even more so. At least with ak we could block some kj combos here we also have the anti blocker (ad) so v v v ugly

[dakky]

Absolutely hating life after flop gets 3bet. AA is really low down in our flop value raising range here and by e time we get to the turn even more so. At least with ak we could block some kj combos here we also have the anti blocker (ad) so v v v ugly

pretty dirty indeed.
What's would you estimate as Smurfe's preflop (presumable wider with the donk in the blinds) range OTB? I find it interesting that he 3b's any but the most vunerable of his range, and then to this sizing?

Why doesn't he want to keep the donk sb in the pot? We can probably eliminate   xd imo.

I assume he is 3b or folding KJo pre. His nutted value range is so tiny it's ridic. KJ x 2 and 3 x 55....

[pleno1]

decent stacks behind to rip it in over raise and call too.

[dakky]

decent stacks behind to rip it in over raise and call too.

True so this should tighten is range somewhat, though I can't imagine he is ever flatting KK/JJ here. How 3b happy are the blinds?

I'm still struggling to decide exactly what he has though.

Is he peeling QT sooooted vs you here trigg?

Did/do you have stats on him?

[lucky_scrote]

I get levelled tons here and feel I'm making some poor decisions in scenarios just like these.

Dubai if you cba can you post up what originally got deleted, I'd be interested for sure.

[action man]

he was like 20 vpip, 21 raise first in and 4% 3bet

[action man]

a lot of people ive shown this hand to on skype have said that they dont call flop to fold turn. I think this is backward thinking because us calling his cold flop 3bet strengthens our range in his mind. i think on the flop its possible that he could be taking the lead in the hand with QK type hand not wanting to go 3 way with the fish also, i think i can eliminate this hand from his range after he jams the turn.

[Junior Senior]

Does anyone think he has 55 here? I do.

[youthnkzR]

His BB peel range hits this flop pretty hard - can we assume he knows we know this (i.e. does he know us)? Therefore its pretty rare we raise here as a bluff which then means in theory he must have a super strong range to 3bet the flop and therefore we don't even need to call the 3b in order to eliminate the KQ type hands.

As played would fold turn but not a fan of calling the 3b in the first place.

Edit didn't read hand properly (thought it was HU vs BB and BTN folded flop) but surely this strengthens the argument. The guy who raised us on the flop surely knows were never raising a bluff into 2 opponents on this board.

[action man]

think youve misread the hand mate

[Oxford_HRV]

surely KJ is in his range on button, the table is playing 6 handed. good solid reg is ultimately never 3ballin draws, could have even been peeling JJ pre!?

[wazz]

a lot of people ive shown this hand to on skype have said that they dont call flop to fold turn. I think this is backward thinking because us calling his cold flop 3bet strengthens our range in his mind. i think on the flop its possible that he could be taking the lead in the hand with QK type hand not wanting to go 3 way with the fish also, i think i can eliminate this hand from his range after he jams the turn.

Point is that he's very rarely 3betting the flop to check many turns, especially not this one, so 'keeping him honest' really has no value unless we're going to continue keeping him honest. I don't mind calling to fold to a jam on some turns like .

I don't think we're smashing his range but he should have enough combo draws, even tho we have the , to justify a call/call