Live Hand @ End of Day 1 Comp (Go optimal versus casino regs?)

[jjandellis]

Background

Saturday played a 2 day comp and this hand came up right at the very end, but first some stuff about the comp and also a few hands of note in lead up to this one.

So the comp is in Rainbow Bristol (used to be Gala) and known as Bristol Masters, a £220 comp with 25k gtd, but hit £46 k prizepool.  The field is mainly made up of local regs and satelliters (from a very low buy in/freeroll format programme run over several months).  There are a few decent online players in the field too, but not many at all.  Its not as high profile as alot of other comps.

I've been at the same table all day and the standard has been pretty low.  That said it was the sort of table where you get a stack, or something really bizarre happens and you stack off.  I've probably been one of the nitiest players on my table, but have grown my stack to 65k from 25k at its peak.

About 45 minutes before I get in a bit of an interesting hand, where I raise pre...get a few callers..have to check flop, but pick up draw on turn and bet out - only to get shoved on for 70% of my stack by a very nitty player I know. I make the lay down, but a couple of personable chaps ask what it is I was thinking about for so long - kinda prompted to me stoving the hand afters.  Little foolish, but they're kinda matey and we've been chatting all day, so I chat through a few bits about ranges etc with a couple of others joining in.  Not the kind of thing I normally do but I thought it wouldn't harm my image (as I think some think I'm mindlessly laggy having just seen me on FT's).  I'm happy enough that the hand in question was marginal fold...

I then get another hand where raise pre utg with ako, utg+1 (know in hh as BB, very abc but leaky) flats...we see jjx flop i cb he calls...and (perhaps regrettably) I check down turn/river to lose to 77.

All in all I should say my image for the day is solid, using aggression in the right spots and folds in others.  That said, villain in next hand has seen me be lairy as hell on last couple of tables, so a little uncertain as to how I'm seen. I was kinda hoping my quick range chat had bestowed a little nitiness back into my image!

The Hand

So now my stack has shrivelled to 41k with the blinds at 600/1200 a100.

Villains:

CO: Been getting active towards end of the day...has had bursts of aggression throughout the day, but generally passive to my 3betting when I come out to play.
Btn: Another beginning to get a little wide, kind of a poor ABC player - but not relevant to hand tbh.
SB: Me, as above. TAG?
BB: Poor abc, maybe passive but known to do leaky stuff.

CO (45000): Raises to 3000
Btn (75000): Calls 3000
Me (42000):  (was gonna 3bet CO) calls 3000
BB (39000): Calls 3000.

Flop (Pot 13000):

 

I check
BB donks 4000
CO raises to 14000
Btn folds

Me?

Question

I am happy that this is a great +ev jamming spot. I'll pick up a lot of folds a good % of time and obv be in great shape for huge pot if I hit when called. Have had vvvvg online player confirm this and happy with his thoughts on hand. Not undermining that with this HH. Just thoughts of optimal versus live players...

However, it is a draw.  If you feel that you have a sufficient skill edge over the rest of the table and the vast majority of the field - do you pass this opportunity up? ie. take lots of small ball pots later, make good equity plays and rely on others burning their equity?  Or is this  just way too good a spot to pass up?

[celtic]

You really think you will get a fold a lot of the time here?

As played I'm getting it in. Just can't see you getting a fold though.

[muckthenuts]

If a spot is +ev you take it, end of.

[AlexMartin]

personally i think smart players should  never, ever talk about ranges, hands and poker at the table. Talk about waitresses, punting, sport.

as played i see very few folds from utg, looks like a fold in this kind of field. If villain is the type to splash/raisefold AX against you ofc jam starts to look much more attractive.

[Oxford_HRV]

less than 25 bbs I'd go in, seems like you dont have any fold equity here and seems like you are behind. i think folding is the nuts!

[Tal]

You really think you will get a fold a lot of the time here?

As played I'm getting it in. Just can't see you getting a fold though.

That.

As for discussing ranges, if it's that kind of table, fine. Any time you say, do or avoid anything noticeably at the table, factor it into your future decisions. If you've been discussing ranges and you think anyone in this hand would consider that relevant to their decision, consider it relevant to yours.

I'm still shoving, though. Just make sure you look super strong (look away, open your body language, expose your neck, say "You can still fold", put your coat on, stand up, shout "how big's the list for cash?", ask the dealer if you're allowed to show one card...)

[Oxford_HRV]

I'm still shoving, though. Just make sure you look super strong (look away, open your body language, expose your neck, say "You can still fold", put your coat on, stand up, shout "how big's the list for cash?", ask the dealer if you're allowed to show one card...)

 

[AlexMartin]

2 villains?

[dakky]

I disagree that you'll pick up a lot of folds a lot of the time.

Your range looks like 44, 66 and draws. He is going to decide you have the draw and call almost always I would imagine. The fact is that he has raised to 14k and no-one else involved in the hand has more than 42k total left postflop, and he is going to have an excellent price to call. Granted you also get a decent price on your draw, but factoring in skill edge...

What do you think the BB is donking btw?

I let this go on an ace-high board. If we had an overcard to the board then different story (KJ on Q72 or w/e) and I am much more likely to punt it in. Your stack is just so valuable to be putting it in here imo and you have only put in 2bb extra to the pot.

Never talking about ranges ever also.

[MANTIS01]

Live comp where the standard is 'pretty low' and the field is mostly freeroll/micro sat winners feel free to talk about ranges all you like cos it'll have abs no impact on how hands are played out. For eg in this hand villain has Ax and he's never folding because he has Ax and that is all.

I would prob fold pre but 3bet sometimes. Think calling has lots of disadvantages.

[dakky]

Live comp where the standard is 'pretty low' and the field is mostly freeroll/micro sat winners feel free to talk about ranges all you like cos it'll have abs no impact on how hands are played out.

I disagree; it is much easier to win money off chumps than champs, and all it takes to start to turn the chumps into champs is a feeling that they are out of their depth and an inquisitive mind.

I think flatting is fine pre, as is squeezing I guess as long as we aren't 3b/f too often

[gouty]

personally i think smart players should  never, ever talk about ranges, hands and poker at the table. Talk about waitresses, punting, sport.

as played i see very few folds from utg, looks like a fold in this kind of field. If villain is the type to splash/raisefold AX against you ofc jam starts to look much more attractive.

Agree...dont normally talk hands and yes its normally footy n valets!

Villain was bb flatted pre n donked

All you ever went on about was boobs/booze. Perfect range I thought.

[DMorgan]

3b or flat pre is fine, as played I don't know how they kick it in Bristol but villain isn't folding an ace in any casino I've ever been to. Fold flop imo.

[lucky_scrote]

3b or flat pre is fine, as played I don't know how they kick it in Bristol but villain isn't folding an ace in any casino I've ever been to. Fold flop imo.

This except I always just flat pre here.

Fold flop for sure, the OR hasn't made a very good raise here but this time it isn't too bad if you're actually thinking about getting it in with him.

[SuuPRlim]

Question

I am happy that this is a great +ev jamming spot.

Really? I can't see anything that makes it look like anything other than a fairly -EV jamming spot, I think this is not a board where 3way he is going to be bluff raising all that much and we have 30% when the money goes in (unless ofc we can get AI vs smaller FD or 57hh or something) but i think when we get AI we're vs A4 A6 66 or 44 most of the time. I guess perhaps there is a chance he has a hand like AJ and is raising to see what's going on and might fold to a shove but I think that is very ambitious...

Seems like folding is the only play to me.