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« Reply #180 on: February 22, 2014, 06:17:58 AM »

 I have a little experience of iPoker and the creation of tournaments.

 In a regular network-wide tournament or satellite there is no chat during hand for hand play. It is switched off, as it is whenever a player goes all-in.

 If you have a skin, like DTD, you can run "private tournaments". These are events just for your players. To set one up you fill in a form and send it to iPoker. They set it up and it only appears to players on your skin. You specify everything you'd like to about your tournament...would you like NLH, PLO, other game, 6-max, full-ring, ten handed, regular pay-out structure, bounties, how will it be described in the lobby, what will the levels be, will it go hand for hand on every pay jump. There are dozens of variables and you have to carefully go through and tick each one every time you set up a new tournament or satellite that you haven't run before. There is loads of room for errors to be made, or for things to be forgotten, and also for the iPoker person receiving the request to make a mistake. Maybe one week your sat will allow chatting on the bubble, maybe next week the hand for hand will start 10 players out and there will be no chat because you set up your event differently.

 Just trying to say that it isn't quite right to say that iPoker are letting players chat on the bubble.

 Messy situation and one where it's really hard for DTD and iPoker to win whatever they do.
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« Reply #181 on: February 22, 2014, 01:43:18 PM »

I have a little experience of iPoker and the creation of tournaments.

 In a regular network-wide tournament or satellite there is no chat during hand for hand play. It is switched off, as it is whenever a player goes all-in.

 If you have a skin, like DTD, you can run "private tournaments". These are events just for your players. To set one up you fill in a form and send it to iPoker. They set it up and it only appears to players on your skin. You specify everything you'd like to about your tournament...would you like NLH, PLO, other game, 6-max, full-ring, ten handed, regular pay-out structure, bounties, how will it be described in the lobby, what will the levels be, will it go hand for hand on every pay jump. There are dozens of variables and you have to carefully go through and tick each one every time you set up a new tournament or satellite that you haven't run before. There is loads of room for errors to be made, or for things to be forgotten, and also for the iPoker person receiving the request to make a mistake. Maybe one week your sat will allow chatting on the bubble, maybe next week the hand for hand will start 10 players out and there will be no chat because you set up your event differently.

 Just trying to say that it isn't quite right to say that iPoker are letting players chat on the bubble.

 Messy situation and one where it's really hard for DTD and iPoker to win whatever they do.

These sats are played virtually every week. How can iPoker still be getting it so wrong? How is it not mandatory that they have to have hand for hand and no chat on the bubble. It is such a no brainer it shouldn't even be an option for them not to be. I can almost understand them messing up your quarterly shenanigans but not the bi-weekly sats. I don't see why players should experience suboptimal tournaments because the form is a bit big and clunky.
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« Reply #182 on: February 22, 2014, 06:46:09 PM »

 To be fair to them, they do what the skin requests. They certainly have been known to get things wrong but when it's a regular thing that is the same every week it's rare. I'm guessing this was a one of as it had a specific (unique) number of seats as prizes.
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« Reply #183 on: February 22, 2014, 07:00:21 PM »

Neil, can you think of one reason why it shouldn't be mandatory that it's always H4H on pure bubble of a sat ?

I'm struggling.
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« Reply #184 on: February 22, 2014, 07:35:33 PM »

To be fair to them, they do what the skin requests. They certainly have been known to get things wrong but when it's a regular thing that is the same every week it's rare. I'm guessing this was a one of as it had a specific (unique) number of seats as prizes.

I've played my share of satsunami on DTD and never seen any go hand for hand nor have chat closed
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« Reply #185 on: February 22, 2014, 08:54:51 PM »

 In some of the tiny buy-in "private" (Black Belt players) only tournaments we run we don't stop chat. The players like to play those ones for the banter and it's annoying when you type something out and then someone goes all-in or you hit the bubble, and your incredibly witty reply disappears.

 To be honest though it's never me who fills in the forms and I'm not certain if this an optional field decided by the skin. You can decide pretty much everything though so I'd bet you can opt-in or out of that.

 All I know is in five years we've given the job of dealing with all the form filling to six different people and they've all found it incredibly tilting and we've regularly had tournaments where something got missed...we intended 6 seats and there were 5 or we thought we ticked 6-max but we didn't etc.

 I'm not blaming DTD or iPoker for not having chat banned during HFH by the way. It's obv preferable that chat is off, especially in a bigger buy-in sat.

 I'm merely pointing out how mix-ups can happen and, (I can't believe I am actually doing this), defending iPoker (and less reluctantly DTD).
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« Reply #186 on: February 22, 2014, 09:23:39 PM »

I fill in the iPoker forms for APAT and can confirm they are pretty tilting in parts.

There is an option to disable observer chat at various stages of the tourney, e.g final table, h4h etc.  However, the actual check-box you need to tick to enable this option is broken, so pretty useless.

There is no option to disable player chat. Perhaps it can be manually requested. Or maybe disabling observer chat disables player chat too. Noone really knows.

A little OT: To be fair, some parts of tourney set-up with iPoker is very good. e.g. the ability to specify you want a tourney repeated every day forever, or every Weds until June, etc. We were previously on Boss, and the maximum time they allowed you to specify a tourney in advance was 4 weeks. This meant you had to send forms in with the same requests and different dates every single month. Mistakes (mainly their end) were frequent. iPoker tourney set up folk seem more on the ball, and have been helpful when I've had a tourney set-up that the forms didn't cater for.

edit: there also appears to be no option to specify h4h at the bubble. It happens on their network-wide tourneys. Not sure how you'd specify it for private tourneys, but agree it should certainly be default.
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« Reply #187 on: February 23, 2014, 01:26:26 PM »

Can we really trust a network, that is enough of a shambles that it lets two people play in the same house, to have enough expertise, that it can so quickly can to a certain decision on whether there has been collusion in such a specialised scenario of the game?
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« Reply #188 on: February 23, 2014, 01:28:19 PM »

Can we really trust a network, that is enough of a shambles that it lets two people play in the same house, to have enough expertise, that it can so quickly can to a certain decision on whether there has been collusion in such a specialised scenario of the game?

Stu, you can also do this on stars...
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« Reply #189 on: February 23, 2014, 01:30:09 PM »

Can we really trust a network, that is enough of a shambles that it lets two people play in the same house, to have enough expertise, that it can so quickly can to a certain decision on whether there has been collusion in such a specialised scenario of the game?

Stu, you can also do this on stars...

in a fairly small field satellite? Then I take it back. However, I would still not trust iPoker to come to such a quick, complicated deicison, on which reputations might depend.
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« Reply #190 on: February 23, 2014, 01:48:42 PM »

The whole thing is a complete and utter joke!!! It is like sitting next to my mate in a normal live game and we are telling each other what we have got!! Pretty sure this would not be allowed!  DTD needs to sort the chat issue out!! I have won a few seats on the skin but the bubble is hilarious! How this has not been addressed before now is very disappointing!! A company that has done so many great things for poker has got this totally wrong!
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« Reply #191 on: February 23, 2014, 01:52:42 PM »

The whole thing is a complete and utter joke!!! It is like sitting next to my mate in a normal live game and we are telling each other what we have got!! Pretty sure this would not be allowed!  DTD needs to sort the chat issue out!! I have won a few seats on the skin but the bubble is hilarious! How this has not been addressed before now is very disappointing!! A company that has done so many great things for poker has got this totally wrong!

Nothing like jumping to conclusions, DTD has not got anything "totally wrong"

DTD has repeatedly requested H4H and chat off as standard, as was stated on the thread earlier it was in, and then only partially worked so had to be delayed

It is an IPoker issue and not in the skin's control to do this. DTD would want it, of course
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« Reply #192 on: February 23, 2014, 02:07:41 PM »

I've played satellites on the same IP address as possibly up to four or five people hundreds of times. Never colluded. Absolute million iPoker have any proof collusion occurred imo. They could ban people from the site without proof as they dont need it right? But to confiscate a prize worth £1100 I'd imagine they'd want to have pretty decent proof for that

Tis a joke that IPoker allow players in the same tournament from the same IP Address

When setting up tourneys on iPoker there is a box to tick on the request form 'allow players from same IP'. When setting up tourneys for APAT I have ticked this, as know we have a lot of members who are couples and both want to play in our leagues etc.

It's up to each skin if they allow this or not on a tourney by tourney basis. Perhaps for sats it would be better if it wasn't allowed. However, I don't think it really makes a difference. It's just as easy to share info when you're not sat together (skype, phone, etc.).

So is this correct?Huh?

If so then DTD have got it totally wrong!!!
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« Reply #193 on: February 23, 2014, 02:24:39 PM »

i think the chat and ip address issue can become a bit of a red herring here.

You could have different ip addresses and no chat box and one person could very easily skype, facetime, phone etc. their mate on the same table...i would say the issue is the way the hands are played out...and only those involved and those who have looked in to it will know if the play differed towards the two named individuals and anyone else.
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« Reply #194 on: February 23, 2014, 02:29:39 PM »

i think the chat and ip address issue can become a bit of a red herring here.

You could have different ip addresses and no chat box and one person could very easily skype, facetime, phone etc. their mate on the same table...i would say the issue is the way the hands are played out...and only those involved and those who have looked in to it will know if the play differed towards the two named individuals and anyone else.

Not talking about this one case.

Talking about IPoker in general.

Should always be H4H on the bubble, shouldn't it?
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