NFL 2014/15 Non-Fantasy Thread

[The Camel]

Is this going the way anyone thought?

Never does.

Trades always screw people's predictions.

And when one team make an unforeseen pick, it also changes the plans of other teams.

Jacksonville picking Bortles meant Mack was available a lot later than expected and went to the Raiders who were expected to pick Evans etc etc

[Marky147]

Watching Manziel is reminding me of sports before I got to upper school

[Ironside]

Damm tonight's draft not on sky where do I go for my fix?

[KarmaDope]

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[The Camel]

The Jacksonville front office must feel like suckers today.

Drafted Bortles way too early and missed out on one of the premier players in the draft (either watkins or Mack).

Could have traded up from their second round spot to a place in the 20s and pretty much got their pick of QBs.

The only reason to have taken Bortles at 3 is if they think he is going to be a Rivers or a Luck.

Somewhat doubtful.

[TightEnd]

I really liked what Cleveland did, got Buffalo's top pick next year (probably top 20) to move down and pick a corner

then moved to get Manziel, who could be brilliant but at the very least ignites excitement amongst a pretty downtrodden fanbase

then they have two early picks today to get a rb and an ol

so next year if it all works they have

manziel throwing to josh gordon and jordan cameron protected by joe thomas with a top rb in this draft coming tonight

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i really liked the rams too. yes it needs sam bradford to finally mature but you got the top ol to protect him, and the defensive front seven now has quinn, chris long, ogletree and aaron donald to go and get kaepernick and russell wilson

nasty nasty division

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the third winner i had was the vikes. replaced jared allen and then traded back in to get bridgewater. again a tough division but it looked to me that they got more competitive last night, at last have someone who in theory can lead the passing offense and get it cordaralle patterson a lot and make it less one dimensional than relying on adrian pieterson

[The Camel]

I really liked what Cleveland did, got Buffalo's top pick next year (probably top 20) to move down and pick a corner

then moved to get Manziel, who could be brilliant but at the very least ignites excitement amongst a pretty downtrodden fanbase

then they have two early picks today to get a rb and an ol

so next year if it all works they have

manziel throwing to josh gordon and jordan cameron protected by joe thomas with a top rb in this draft coming tonight

--

i really liked the rams too. yes it needs sam bradford to finally mature but you got the top ol to protect him, and the defensive front seven now has quinn, chris long, ogletree and aaron donald to go and get kaepernick and russell wilson

nasty nasty division

--

the third winner i had was the vikes. replaced jared allen and then traded back in to get bridgewater. again a tough division but it looked to me that they got more competitive last night, at last have someone who in theory can lead the passing offense and get it cordaralle patterson a lot and make it less one dimensional than relying on adrian pieterson

Cleveland have already signed Ben Tate who would have been a legit starter at virtually any team apart from Houston who have a top 5 rb.

If Manziel is as good as advertised they could be a force in a division where both Pitt and Balt appear to be on the downgrade.

[TightEnd]

I really liked what Cleveland did, got Buffalo's top pick next year (probably top 20) to move down and pick a corner

then moved to get Manziel, who could be brilliant but at the very least ignites excitement amongst a pretty downtrodden fanbase

then they have two early picks today to get a rb and an ol

so next year if it all works they have

manziel throwing to josh gordon and jordan cameron protected by joe thomas with a top rb in this draft coming tonight

--

i really liked the rams too. yes it needs sam bradford to finally mature but you got the top ol to protect him, and the defensive front seven now has quinn, chris long, ogletree and aaron donald to go and get kaepernick and russell wilson

nasty nasty division

--

the third winner i had was the vikes. replaced jared allen and then traded back in to get bridgewater. again a tough division but it looked to me that they got more competitive last night, at last have someone who in theory can lead the passing offense and get it cordaralle patterson a lot and make it less one dimensional than relying on adrian pieterson

Cleveland have already signed Ben Tate who would have been a legit starter at virtually any team apart from Houston who have a top 5 rb.

If Manziel is as good as advertised they could be a force in a division where both Pitt and Balt appear to be on the downgrade.

i agree

Tate, yes. forgot that.

should be going places, really

cincy in that division are still missing a quarterback that you can trust to take them all the way too

[The Camel]

I really liked what Cleveland did, got Buffalo's top pick next year (probably top 20) to move down and pick a corner

then moved to get Manziel, who could be brilliant but at the very least ignites excitement amongst a pretty downtrodden fanbase

then they have two early picks today to get a rb and an ol

so next year if it all works they have

manziel throwing to josh gordon and jordan cameron protected by joe thomas with a top rb in this draft coming tonight

--

i really liked the rams too. yes it needs sam bradford to finally mature but you got the top ol to protect him, and the defensive front seven now has quinn, chris long, ogletree and aaron donald to go and get kaepernick and russell wilson

nasty nasty division

--

the third winner i had was the vikes. replaced jared allen and then traded back in to get bridgewater. again a tough division but it looked to me that they got more competitive last night, at last have someone who in theory can lead the passing offense and get it cordaralle patterson a lot and make it less one dimensional than relying on adrian pieterson

Cleveland have already signed Ben Tate who would have been a legit starter at virtually any team apart from Houston who have a top 5 rb.

If Manziel is as good as advertised they could be a force in a division where both Pitt and Balt appear to be on the downgrade.

i agree

Tate, yes. forgot that.

should be going places, really

cincy in that division are still missing a quarterback that you can trust to take them all the way too

Wonder if Cincy will take a QB in the second round if Carr, Savage or Garoppolo falls that far

[Tal]

Why are the teams in the same order for all the rounds, rather than reversing?

[TightEnd]

worst team the season before gets the best pick in each round

all to maintain competitive balance, give the weakest team the chance to make the quickest turnround

i like it, a couple of good drafts and some free agency moves and any team can go right up quickly, withnessed by over half the sides making the play offs one year not doing so the next

of course if a team is managed badly, drafts badly eg raiders, bills etc etc it might never happen

[Tal]

Sorry. Poorly phrased question.

In the fantasy draft, the team that picks first in the first round picks last in the second round, first pick in the third round, last in the fourth and so on. I assumed that was the case in the real thing, too.

[TightEnd]

Sorry. Poorly phrased question.

In the fantasy draft, the team that picks first in the first round picks last in the second round, first pick in the third round, last in the fourth and so on. I assumed that was the case in the real thing, too.

well in a fantasy draft everyone starts with nothing, no players ona  roster. you want everyone to have the same value in their picks, to make it a fair contest

the nfl draft is specifically not designed to be equal, its designed to give the worst teams first crack (if they scout and select correctly) at the best players so they can catch up..so it would make no sense to give houston pick 1 then pick 64, they get 1, 33 and so on

the nfl in its processes is inherently socialist, in the most capitalist industry, there's the dichotomy

[Tal]

Sorry. Poorly phrased question.

In the fantasy draft, the team that picks first in the first round picks last in the second round, first pick in the third round, last in the fourth and so on. I assumed that was the case in the real thing, too.

well in a fantasy draft everyone starts with nothing, no players ona  roster. you want everyone to have the same value in their picks, to make it a fair contest

the nfl draft is specifically not designed to be equal, its designed to give the worst teams first crack (if they scout and select correctly) at the best players so they can catch up..so it would make no sense to give houston pick 1 then pick 64, they get 1, 33 and so on

the nfl in its processes is inherently socialist, in the most capitalist industry, there's the dichotomy

Thank you.

[Tal]

Surprised on the one hand that the bills have gamble so much on watkins. Figured we would go for Benjamin tbh.

On the other hand, making potentially poor draft choices shouldn't be that much of a surprise...


Speaking of inspired trades...

Adam Schefter tweeted:

STL haul for RGIII: Michael Brockers, Janoris Jenkins, Isaiah Pead, Rokevious Watson, Alec Ogletree, Stedman Bailey,Zac Stacy, Greg Robinson