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« on: June 27, 2014, 12:49:00 AM »

Just played this hand on 888 and would like some further opinions if possible..


Arlington NL50 (SNAP)

Hero UTG [$50]
Ribular [$19.25]
WobWubWubWob (B) [$20.49]
Cash1183 (SB) [$49.75]
Dumkin (BB) [$55]

We have just joined so have zero history on anyone.

We are dealt 

Hero raises UTG $1.31

Ribular Folds

WobWubWubWob Calls $1.31, Cash1183 Re-raises $5.74

Dumkin1 Folds.

We call, WobWubWubWob Calls

Pot is now $16.84

Flop comes  Two Diamonds

Cash1183 Checks

We should have done what? (FWIW for reasons still unkown I donked $7 at it...)
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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2014, 01:06:34 PM »

Ok so I've realized that the thread title is a bit misleading given the way I've left the hand.

The full hand is as follows -

Arlington NL50 (SNAP)

Hero UTG [$50]
Ribular [$19.25]
WobWubWubWob (B) [$20.49]
Cash1183 (SB) [$49.75]
Dumkin (BB) [$55]

We have just joined so have zero history on anyone.

We are dealt   

Hero raises UTG $1.31

Ribular Folds

WobWubWubWob Calls $1.31, Cash1183 Re-raises $5.74

Dumkin1 Folds.

We call, WobWubWubWob Calls

Pot is now $16.84

Flop comes    Two Diamonds

Cash1183 Checks

Hero Bets $7

(Pot $23.84)

WobWubWubWob Goes all-in $14.75

(Pot $38.59)

Hero Calls

Turn 

River 

Hero wins $44.86 with 2 pair T's & 7's
Villain shows 


Ok so we scooped the pot but I couldn't help flipping internally between good call and big leak. Is this a leak? With so little info on the villain I had lots of questions like has he hit a ten, does he have an over pair or was he shoving any flop with AK/AQ hands? I settled on the latter based on stack sizes and flatting the 3 bet. I figured he'd left himself no fold equity once that flop came and I was either crushed with an over-pair or we were racing, either way is it a profitable spot in the long term? I'm feeling a little foggy...

 
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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2014, 05:22:52 PM »

I think peeling 77 to a 3b OOP is a leak. I don't know if I'd want to 4b pile pre either, seems thin ESP with over caller.
(Is thin regardless with no history/dynamic...)

Folding pre to 3b is best option by miles IMO.

As played:
Wouldn't donk, prolly have to call and set money on fire vs his value range once you do tho.

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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2014, 06:41:38 PM »

Yeah, pre we aren't getting the odds to set mine here, I'd want effective stacks to be close to 90 for us to wanna set mine. Even if we know for sure the other guy is calling, it's close.

Donking here seems kinda bad into three people. We can check call or check fold, villain dependent. If we donk we basically cannot fold to wobwub, and if he folds, we put ourselves in a really bad situation if Cash does anything but fold. We make our hand completely face up, and it doesn't play very well at all his range as soon as he calls or raises, so we effectively lose the pot as soon as he takes either of these options.
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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2014, 09:21:42 PM »

4b piling wouldn't be 'thin', it would just be plain awful. He hasn't donked btw, OR checks.

I think it's ok to bet 77 on the smaller side for protection and some value from AK-AQ type hands that the original raiser might c/call with. When the shortstack jams over the bet we're getting such a good price to call, if you do have an inkling that he's a weaker player bet/calling vs him is probably going to be ok.
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2014, 09:35:53 PM »

This is what happens when I don't fully read hand histories, honestly thought OR hadn't acted yet. Disregard the latter half of my earlier comment, and I'll get back to it later :p
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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2014, 10:17:00 PM »

4b piling wouldn't be 'thin', it would just be plain awful. He hasn't donked btw, OR checks.

I think it's ok to bet 77 on the smaller side for protection and some value from AK-AQ type hands that the original raiser might c/call with. When the shortstack jams over the bet we're getting such a good price to call, if you do have an inkling that he's a weaker player bet/calling vs him is probably going to be ok.

That's pretty much what happened, when the OR folded to the jam I snap called as already presumed that the shorty was jamming almost ATC to my small bet. So although I got max value from the 77's on this occasion would you tend to fold pre to the 3bet OOP? I'd love to say I played it well but it played itself as soon as that flop hit. I presume it's a totally standard C/F if any A/K/Q hit the flop, ergo rendering the 77's almost dead 3 handed with that preflop action.
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