UK General Election 2015

[The Camel]

I can't see Scottish Independence being an issue for a long, long time to come.

The Yes campaign constantly said it was a once in a generation chance from the get go.

A lot of people who voted Yes were swayed by nonsense economic figures that were dependent on the oil price.  And it looks like the Saudi's are gonna be keeping it low for a reasonable amount of time.

And the vote was 45/55 with I think 10-11% not voting, so a decent amount of the population were clearly happy with the status quo.

It'll be 35-40% for a good few years yet but of course they will be the ones who shout by far the loudest.

This is what I was driving at.

The main pillar of SNP policy is Scottish Nationalism. That isn't going to happen until 2050 at the earliest.

So why would you vote for a party whose main goal is completely unachieveable.

[BigAdz]

Not sure if I am being led up the garden path,but was told Sturgeon not even standing for her own seat?

If true surely she has f all say in parliament, if the horror of horror becomes reality?

[Woodsey]

Not sure if I am being led up the garden path,but was told Sturgeon not even standing for her own seat?

If true surely she has f all say in parliament, if the horror of horror becomes reality?

That is why Alex Salmond is standing as an MP 

[arbboy]

I can't see Scottish Independence being an issue for a long, long time to come.

The Yes campaign constantly said it was a once in a generation chance from the get go.

A lot of people who voted Yes were swayed by nonsense economic figures that were dependent on the oil price.  And it looks like the Saudi's are gonna be keeping it low for a reasonable amount of time.

And the vote was 45/55 with I think 10-11% not voting, so a decent amount of the population were clearly happy with the status quo.

It'll be 35-40% for a good few years yet but of course they will be the ones who shout by far the loudest.

This is what I was driving at.

The main pillar of SNP policy is Scottish Nationalism. That isn't going to happen until 2050 at the earliest.

So why would you vote for a party whose main goal is completely unachieveable.

What price do you make another yes/no vote in Jockland before the next 2020 GE?  Assuming there is a labour/snp hook up after a hung parliament?   You talk like it is a million when it is effectively the only thing Nic truely cares about and is willing to lie through her teeth to get the relative power to get the 2nd chance.

[scotty77]

I can't see Scottish Independence being an issue for a long, long time to come.

The Yes campaign constantly said it was a once in a generation chance from the get go.

A lot of people who voted Yes were swayed by nonsense economic figures that were dependent on the oil price.  And it looks like the Saudi's are gonna be keeping it low for a reasonable amount of time.

And the vote was 45/55 with I think 10-11% not voting, so a decent amount of the population were clearly happy with the status quo.

It'll be 35-40% for a good few years yet but of course they will be the ones who shout by far the loudest.

This is what I was driving at.

The main pillar of SNP policy is Scottish Nationalism. That isn't going to happen until 2050 at the earliest.

So why would you vote for a party whose main goal is completely unachieveable.

With her recent comments about looking out for people all across the UK and that she has had many emails from English voters saying they wish they could vote for the SNP, any chance of them rebranding totally and going for a UK wide vote?

[arbboy]

I can't see Scottish Independence being an issue for a long, long time to come.

The Yes campaign constantly said it was a once in a generation chance from the get go.

A lot of people who voted Yes were swayed by nonsense economic figures that were dependent on the oil price.  And it looks like the Saudi's are gonna be keeping it low for a reasonable amount of time.

And the vote was 45/55 with I think 10-11% not voting, so a decent amount of the population were clearly happy with the status quo.

It'll be 35-40% for a good few years yet but of course they will be the ones who shout by far the loudest.

This is what I was driving at.

The main pillar of SNP policy is Scottish Nationalism. That isn't going to happen until 2050 at the earliest.

So why would you vote for a party whose main goal is completely unachieveable.

With her recent comments about looking out for people all across the UK and that she has had many emails from English voters saying they wish they could vote for the SNP, any chance of them rebranding totally and going for a UK wide vote?

Come on Scotty don't fall into the trap of the SNP pr bandwagon.  The only thing Nic cares about is Scotland being a stand alone country.  She will do and say anything possible to get it and sell her soul in the process to get the only thing that matters to her.  She couldn't care less about working class people in England or Wales.

[scotty77]

Politicians have moved from party to party. 

Entire parties have changed their direction before.

Even tho she clearly believes in being independent, if she sees a chance for some power in the whole of the UK she could easily try and take it, especially if she realises that she won't get another refereundum vote in her political life time.

I think that having a manifesto where increased fiscal automonmy for England/Scotland/Wales/NI with combined UK currency, foreign policy, defence could easily be appealing to huge amounts of people from across the whole of the UK.

[arbboy]

Politicians have moved from party to party.  

Entire parties have changed their direction before.

Even tho she clearly believes in being independent, if she sees a chance for some power in the whole of the UK she could easily try and take it, especially if she realises that she won't get another refereundum vote in her political life time.

I think that having a manifesto where increased fiscal automonmy for England/Scotland/Wales/NI with combined UK currency, foreign policy, defence could easily be appealing to huge amounts of people from across the whole of the UK.

But the same old questions....

...who is going to pay for it?  Or are we just going to keep the debt mountain rolling?  Not entirely sure why anyone outside of Scotland would want to vote for the SCOTTISH national party either unless they were that keen to see Scotland go it alone now the oil prices are slumping and/or they were die hard tories who knew that losing jockland from the voting system would make the tories big odds on to win a majority in 5 years?  It might be worth the tories giving up 5 years of power to finally teach the English population once and forever they are the only party to be trusted with the economy and at the same time let Nic win her latest yes/no flip to take 60 odd dead scottish seats out of the equation for the tories in 2020.

[Ironside]

Not sure if I am being led up the garden path,but was told Sturgeon not even standing for her own seat?

If true surely she has f all say in parliament, if the horror of horror becomes reality?

That is why Alex Salmond is standing as an MP 

salmondella wont have a say in englandshire as angus robertson is a popular leader of the snp in westminster and salmondella is last years news

[Woodsey]

Not sure if I am being led up the garden path,but was told Sturgeon not even standing for her own seat?

If true surely she has f all say in parliament, if the horror of horror becomes reality?

That is why Alex Salmond is standing as an MP  

salmondella wont have a say in englandshire as angus robertson is a popular leader of the snp in westminster and salmondella is last years news

Of course he will, he will be the SNP mouthpiece again as soon as he wins a seat in Westminster.

[scotty77]

I'm thinking of the SNP toning down, realising independence isn't gonna work and picking up Lib Dem/Labour voters from all over the UK.

I agree that their current economic policy is not well thought out but they can do that because they know it will never be put to the test.

If they moved their focus away from the Scottish Independence issue then they could easily work on a decent manifesto that picks up disillusioned people.

I guess it depends on how many of their core members/voters are all about the independence issue.  If that's only a small number then they could easily get rid of the SNP name and Scottish'ness and really make a push for UK wide support.

I don't believe that 45% of the population truly believe in Scotland should be independent, more they saw it as a chance for change. If they were offered that same chance for change with a UK wide party I think they'd see sense and take it.

[The Camel]

I can't see Scottish Independence being an issue for a long, long time to come.

The Yes campaign constantly said it was a once in a generation chance from the get go.

A lot of people who voted Yes were swayed by nonsense economic figures that were dependent on the oil price.  And it looks like the Saudi's are gonna be keeping it low for a reasonable amount of time.

And the vote was 45/55 with I think 10-11% not voting, so a decent amount of the population were clearly happy with the status quo.

It'll be 35-40% for a good few years yet but of course they will be the ones who shout by far the loudest.

This is what I was driving at.

The main pillar of SNP policy is Scottish Nationalism. That isn't going to happen until 2050 at the earliest.

So why would you vote for a party whose main goal is completely unachieveable.

What price do you make another yes/no vote in Jockland before the next 2020 GE?  Assuming there is a labour/snp hook up after a hung parliament?   You talk like it is a million when it is effectively the only thing Nic truely cares about and is willing to lie through her teeth to get the relative power to get the 2nd chance.

It would be a complete farce if there was another referendum before 2020. And I'm speaking as someone who pretty strongly supported Scottish independence.

The thing about democracy is we have to put up with results whether we like them or not (unless the election is fixed like when Dubya beat Gore).

We can't keep having elections until we get the result we want, because that would be ridiculous.

[arbboy]

I can't see Scottish Independence being an issue for a long, long time to come.

The Yes campaign constantly said it was a once in a generation chance from the get go.

A lot of people who voted Yes were swayed by nonsense economic figures that were dependent on the oil price.  And it looks like the Saudi's are gonna be keeping it low for a reasonable amount of time.

And the vote was 45/55 with I think 10-11% not voting, so a decent amount of the population were clearly happy with the status quo.

It'll be 35-40% for a good few years yet but of course they will be the ones who shout by far the loudest.

This is what I was driving at.

The main pillar of SNP policy is Scottish Nationalism. That isn't going to happen until 2050 at the earliest.

So why would you vote for a party whose main goal is completely unachieveable.

What price do you make another yes/no vote in Jockland before the next 2020 GE?  Assuming there is a labour/snp hook up after a hung parliament?   You talk like it is a million when it is effectively the only thing Nic truely cares about and is willing to lie through her teeth to get the relative power to get the 2nd chance.

It would be a complete farce if there was another referendum before 2020. And I'm speaking as someone who pretty strongly supported Scottish independence.

The thing about democracy is we have to put up with results whether we like them or not (unless the election is fixed like when Dubya beat Gore).

We can't keep having elections until we get the result we want, because that would be ridiculous.

I totally agree but that is Nic's main aim in the next 5 years to roll the dice again for a 2nd time and win the flip the second time.  Anyone who thinks she is looking for anything else begging Red Ed for a share of power really needs to wake up from their dream world whatever both parties are trying to kid the public with their recent statements.

[BigAdz]

Not sure if I am being led up the garden path,but was told Sturgeon not even standing for her own seat?

If true surely she has f all say in parliament, if the horror of horror becomes reality?

That is why Alex Salmond is standing as an MP  

salmondella wont have a say in englandshire as angus robertson is a popular leader of the snp in westminster and salmondella is last years news

Of course he will, he will be the SNP mouthpiece again as soon as he wins a seat in Westminster.

So, I have clearly missed a beat here.

Why would anyone vote for a woman who isn't even standing herself?

Why is she not standing? I don't get it.

[Jon MW]

I can't see Scottish Independence being an issue for a long, long time to come.

The Yes campaign constantly said it was a once in a generation chance from the get go.

A lot of people who voted Yes were swayed by nonsense economic figures that were dependent on the oil price.  And it looks like the Saudi's are gonna be keeping it low for a reasonable amount of time.

And the vote was 45/55 with I think 10-11% not voting, so a decent amount of the population were clearly happy with the status quo.

It'll be 35-40% for a good few years yet but of course they will be the ones who shout by far the loudest.

This is what I was driving at.

The main pillar of SNP policy is Scottish Nationalism. That isn't going to happen until 2050 at the earliest.

So why would you vote for a party whose main goal is completely unachieveable.

What price do you make another yes/no vote in Jockland before the next 2020 GE?  Assuming there is a labour/snp hook up after a hung parliament?   You talk like it is a million when it is effectively the only thing Nic truely cares about and is willing to lie through her teeth to get the relative power to get the 2nd chance.

It would be a complete farce if there was another referendum before 2020. And I'm speaking as someone who pretty strongly supported Scottish independence.

The thing about democracy is we have to put up with results whether we like them or not (unless the election is fixed like when Dubya beat Gore).

We can't keep having elections until we get the result we want, because that would be ridiculous.

I think Kmac was spot on (in the one single case) of suggesting that the SNP are hoovering up all the Labour votes. Scotland is generally left leaning, and now that the SNP have shown that they're a party which you can vote for - and it can make a difference rather than being completely wasted - that's where all the left wingers are going.

It would be a complete farce if there was another referendum in less than a generation's time - but re-staging referendums until you get the result you want has been done before and is definitely a feasible option.