Ched Evans

[horseplayer]

We have done this before but Lm was not apologetic for just as long

Agree with Arb though, not that it matters but LM has been very good since he has gone back and without his past would be at least a division higher and obv earning more.

Not that i feel sorry for him but for people to suggest it will not effect Evans earning power is silly.

[DungBeetle]

It's a line of argument that can be taken, but effectively all you are saying is that you think you are right and the judicial system is wrong.  On face value, looking at lengths of sentences as an indicator of how serious a crime is, is a better way of judging what society thinks than us applying your own personal scale?

My moral code is just that. Mine.

I think rape is more serious crime than causing death by driving while intoxicated.

I don't expect anyone to agree or disagree, because it is just my opinion.

That's fair enough - but you've argued that another poster is wrong to bring up that Hughes got a longer sentence and the justification is your own moral code.

[The Camel]

It's a line of argument that can be taken, but effectively all you are saying is that you think you are right and the judicial system is wrong.  On face value, looking at lengths of sentences as an indicator of how serious a crime is, is a better way of judging what society thinks than us applying your own personal scale?

My moral code is just that. Mine.

I think rape is more serious crime than causing death by driving while intoxicated.

I don't expect anyone to agree or disagree, because it is just my opinion.

That's fair enough - but you've argued that another poster is wrong to bring up that Hughes got a longer sentence and the justification is your own moral code.

I think there are 3 elements to a sentence.

Rehabilitation, punishment and detterent.

Would have thought LMs sentence was mostly a detterent to stop other people doing the same thing. As anyone with a scrap of conscience would relive the horror of that event every day for the rest of his life. And that is punishment enough.

For an unrepentent rapist, in case like this I would have thought punishment was a major factor in the sentence.

If he had pleaded guilty, he wouldn't have got anything like 5 years.

[The Camel]

One simple question for those who think he should be allowed to play.

If he had been convicted of raping a 12 year old girl instead of a 19 year old woman, would that alter your thinking?

[horseplayer]

One simple question for those who think he should be allowed to play.

If he had been convicted of raping a 12 year old girl instead of a 19 year old woman, would that alter your thinking?

He would still be locked up is the simple answer

[The Camel]

One simple question for those who think he should be allowed to play.

If he had been convicted of raping a 12 year old girl instead of a 19 year old woman, would that alter your thinking?

He would still be locked up is the simple answer

He was imprisoned at 20 and released from his sentence at 28. Seems reasonable.

[DungBeetle]

One simple question for those who think he should be allowed to play.

If he had been convicted of raping a 12 year old girl instead of a 19 year old woman, would that alter your thinking?

Come on - that is no more sensible than me asking if LM had driven around a playground crushing kids would your views on him be different.

[horseplayer]

One simple question for those who think he should be allowed to play.

If he had been convicted of raping a 12 year old girl instead of a 19 year old woman, would that alter your thinking?

He would still be locked up is the simple answer

He was imprisoned at 20 and released from his sentence at 28. Seems reasonable.

Not sure why we need to deal with hypothetical questions that are impossible to answer

[DungBeetle]

Side point - would someone who raped a 12 year old child in full knowledge of her age and knowing that she couldn't possibly consent really only be locked up for 8 years? 

[horseplayer]

Side point - would someone who raped a 12 year old child in full knowledge of her age and knowing that she couldn't possibly consent really only be locked up for 8 years? 

I would hope not

[DungBeetle]

Good.  I never know with our justice system sometimes though

[david3103]

Is Mr Hawkins on a Pay per Click deal like arbboy?

This 'debate' reminds me of this

[The Camel]

Is Mr Hawkins on a Pay per Click deal like arbboy?

This 'debate' reminds me of this

With that, I'll bow out of this thread.

No one is going to change anyone else's mind and we are just going round in circles.

If people are going to start on the personal abuse, best not to bother any more.

[RED-DOG]

Is Mr Hawkins on a Pay per Click deal like arbboy?

This 'debate' reminds me of this

With that, I'll bow out of this thread.

No one is going to change anyone else's mind and we are just going round in circles.

If people are going to start on the personal abuse, best not to bother any more.

Personal abuse? Looked looked like a joke to me.

[david3103]

Is Mr Hawkins on a Pay per Click deal like arbboy?

This 'debate' reminds me of this

With that, I'll bow out of this thread.

No one is going to change anyone else's mind and we are just going round in circles.

If people are going to start on the personal abuse, best not to bother any more.

Personal abuse? Looked looked like a joke to me.

certainly felt like one when it left me

Never been accused of personal abuse on Blonde before. Do I get a badge?

Will obviously apologise if this is still seen that way after Mr H has given it further consideration.