The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

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#projectfear

[MANTIS01]

how many areas of EU life will be affected if they fail to achieve a deal?

[doubleup]

how many areas of EU life will be affected if they fail to achieve a deal?

none

hth

[MANTIS01]

The delusion of Remain confirmed

[doubleup]

A no deal collapse changes nothing in any EU country.   Britain will have no trade agreements, no accords, no joint standards agreements.  Not only with the EU, but with most of the world.

[Jon MW]

A no deal collapse changes nothing in any EU country.   Britain will have no trade agreements, no accords, no joint standards agreements.  Not only with the EU, but with most of the world.

The UK is the 3rd largest export partner for Germany and 4th largest for France (for example) - I think it might affect them a bit if they have no trade agreement with us.

I support the general gist of the doom and gloom but it's unrealistic to say there's no benefit for the EU at all to make sure an agreement happens.

[doubleup]

The list provided by TightEnd was actual legal and regulatory problem areas that face everyone in Britain and their relationship with the rest of the world.

There is obviously a "both sides" to these problem areas but only in small fractions and easily mitigated, not 100% as it affects Britain, with no short term solution and therefore negotiating under pressure.

This brings me back to my comment about a US trade deal and health care providers and NHS.  The current agreements between the US and EU will no longer apply and this means that Britain won't even be able to maintain the status quo.  The US will want to sell cheap food and market health insurance/care into the UK.  They simply won't allow competition from the NHS.

[MANTIS01]

So Remain have illustrated there is absolutely no benefit to the EU of having the UK as a member. They have also detailed that we disagree about everything and hold up initiative after initiative. The EU themselves have shown through the negotiations that they don't care for our continued membership. They have threatened us and been obstinate. Want to punish us and make an example of us.

Really is this a union that we want to stay part of? It's clear because we offer no benefit that our negotiating position is terribly weak, it's clear we don't matter, that our input is irrelevant. So the Remain position appears to be that we should sacrifice our principles and be pushed around, cow down for the $$$. Nah, more convinced than ever that Leave is correct because if we aren't a valued partner let's change the situation and make new partnerships where we have value and respect thanks. Like staying with a domineering wife you don't love because you're too scared to leave her, so you stay under the thumb being told what to do. That might be how Remain like to roll but no thanks to that. 

[Woodsey]

So Remain have illustrated there is absolutely no benefit to the EU of having the UK as a member. They have also detailed that we disagree about everything and hold up initiative after initiative. The EU themselves have shown through the negotiations that they don't care for our continued membership. They have threatened us and been obstinate. Want to punish us and make an example of us.

Really is this a union that we want to stay part of? It's clear because we offer no benefit that our negotiating position is terribly weak, it's clear we don't matter, that our input is irrelevant. So the Remain position appears to be that we should sacrifice our principles and be pushed around, cow down for the $$$. Nah, more convinced than ever that Leave is correct because if we aren't a valued partner let's change the situation and make new partnerships where we have value and respect thanks. Like staying with a domineering wife you don't love because you're too scared to leave her, so you stay under the thumb being told what to do. That might be how Remain like to roll but no thanks to that. 

 

[RED-DOG]

So Remain have illustrated there is absolutely no benefit to the EU of having the UK as a member. They have also detailed that we disagree about everything and hold up initiative after initiative. The EU themselves have shown through the negotiations that they don't care for our continued membership. They have threatened us and been obstinate. Want to punish us and make an example of us.

Really is this a union that we want to stay part of? It's clear because we offer no benefit that our negotiating position is terribly weak, it's clear we don't matter, that our input is irrelevant. So the Remain position appears to be that we should sacrifice our principles and be pushed around, cow down for the $$$. Nah, more convinced than ever that Leave is correct because if we aren't a valued partner let's change the situation and make new partnerships where we have value and respect thanks. Like staying with a domineering wife you don't love because you're too scared to leave her, so you stay under the thumb being told what to do. That might be how Remain like to roll but no thanks to that. 

No.

Like any family, group, gang or organisation, members are valued more than outsiders.

[MANTIS01]

So Remain have illustrated there is absolutely no benefit to the EU of having the UK as a member. They have also detailed that we disagree about everything and hold up initiative after initiative. The EU themselves have shown through the negotiations that they don't care for our continued membership. They have threatened us and been obstinate. Want to punish us and make an example of us.

Really is this a union that we want to stay part of? It's clear because we offer no benefit that our negotiating position is terribly weak, it's clear we don't matter, that our input is irrelevant. So the Remain position appears to be that we should sacrifice our principles and be pushed around, cow down for the $$$. Nah, more convinced than ever that Leave is correct because if we aren't a valued partner let's change the situation and make new partnerships where we have value and respect thanks. Like staying with a domineering wife you don't love because you're too scared to leave her, so you stay under the thumb being told what to do. That might be how Remain like to roll but no thanks to that. 

No.

Like any family, group, gang or organisation, members are valued more than outsiders.

when travellers move into a community it's natural they have less respect and value then?

[MANTIS01]

Additionally I can see why many others voted Leave now because with all the outsiders from EU freely coming into our country and seemingly having less value than those already here it would be natural for people to object to that.

[RED-DOG]

when travellers move into a community it's natural they have less respect and value then?

You will have to explain this better, I don't understand who you are saying will have less respect for who.

[neeko]

So Remain have illustrated there is absolutely no benefit to the UK of having the Scotland as a member. They have also detailed that we disagree about everything and hold up initiative after initiative. The UK themselves have shown through the negotiations that they don't care for our continued membership. They have threatened us and been obstinate. Want to punish us and make an example of us.

Really is this a union that we want to stay part of? It's clear because we offer no benefit that our negotiating position is terribly weak, it's clear we don't matter, that our input is irrelevant. So the Remain position appears to be that we should sacrifice our principles and be pushed around, cow down for the $$$. Nah, more convinced than ever that Leave is correct because if we aren't a valued partner let's change the situation and make new partnerships where we have value and respect thanks. Like staying with a domineering wife you don't love because you're too scared to leave her, so you stay under the thumb being told what to do. That might be how Remain like to roll but no thanks to that. 

(Would this not also be true)

[Pokerpops]

So Remain have illustrated there is absolutely no benefit to the UK of having the Scotland as a member. They have also detailed that we disagree about everything and hold up initiative after initiative. The UK themselves have shown through the negotiations that they don't care for our continued membership. They have threatened us and been obstinate. Want to punish us and make an example of us.

Really is this a union that we want to stay part of? It's clear because we offer no benefit that our negotiating position is terribly weak, it's clear we don't matter, that our input is irrelevant. So the Remain position appears to be that we should sacrifice our principles and be pushed around, cow down for the $$$. Nah, more convinced than ever that Leave is correct because if we aren't a valued partner let's change the situation and make new partnerships where we have value and respect thanks. Like staying with a domineering wife you don't love because you're too scared to leave her, so you stay under the thumb being told what to do. That might be how Remain like to roll but no thanks to that. 

(Would this not also be true)

The difference is that the Scotland voted to stay as part of the UK, and the UK voted to leave the EU.

What you seem to be saying is that referendum votes are only relevant if you agree with the result.