The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[TightEnd]

 Article 14(4) of the backstop is... something.

Seems to say: ECJ and European Commission to have jurisdiction in the UK in respect of the EU customs code, technical regulations, VAT and excise, agriculture and the environment, single electricity market and state aid.

[ripple11]

Is there a chance that some Labour MP’s might help May get the deal through Parliament?

I’m sure there were talks with some of them.

Might be a red herring?

With incredible whipping of the tories , might  get away with 30 ish Lab MP’s to vote with her....maybe not totally out of the question when it comes to the crunch.

[TightEnd]

Theresa May says it's her deal or "no deal or no Brexit at all".

Think this is the first time in two years she has said "no Brexit at all" as an option

[StuartHopkin]

Is there a chance that some Labour MP’s might help May get the deal through Parliament?

I’m sure there were talks with some of them.

Might be a red herring?

Am I missing something?

Expect this to float through.

Only half the expected Tories will.vote it down and most Labour will vote it through?
Why wouldn't they? They want in on the back of this not before.

Or the end of the world.

Boris to announce on Monday it was all part of the plan. He was just pretending.

[Doobs]

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/draft_withdrawal_agreement_0.pdf

Bit of light reading.

It isn't that had too skim through, as there isn't a lot of text on each page.  Dare say most of those commenting today haven't bothered to try.

Cliffs

Looks like fishing continues on as before for now.
Customs Union carries on for now.
EU citizens will have a right to live here and we have a right to carry on living in the EU.  I think it is at least 5 years from the end of transition.  I should check but I can't be arsed to reread it all. 
There are annexes on Northern Ireland, Gibraltar and UK air bases in Cyprus.  Think there are bilateral "committees" formed to solve all these things, I think with EU and UK equal representation.  If you want to read them, think the Northern Ireland one starts around page 300.
There is a lot of specific stuff we have to pay for that is detailed within it; pensions, EU budget until 2020, ECB, payments already agreed to Turkey etc.  I didn't see anything referring to payments for "little or nothing" as Jacob Rees Mogg and Farage would have you believe.
Flights will still fly, trade will be on current terms for now. 
Customs looks the same, we can go to Europe without visas for the foreseeable.
I struggled to find anything that specific on financial services, though there is a chunk on the European central bank.
There is the formation of a group of 25 arbitrators to resolve disputes, 10 from each side, and 5 jointly proposed (see article 169 to 171).  This is narrowed down to 5 when they are called upon.  Nobody in Government is allowed and they are supposed to be scrupliously independent.  This doesn't strke me as the EU dictating to us.
The Court of Jutice of the European Uniond remains the highest legal athority, but that doesn't mean we get fucked over for no reason, they just interpret laws, and don't get involved in politics and posturing on the TV.
There are lots of lists of regs that still apply, I obviously haven't checked them all!

Some of this could be inaccurate, as it is late and I skimmed it while playing badly at poker.  Suspect these things were connected. 

[Woodsey]

Will we stave or is there enough tinned peaches to save us?

[Doobs]

Will we stave or is there enough tinned peaches to save us?

Nothing on peaches; we only need them if we get to the Rees Mogg land of milk and honey that will kick in if this is rejected.  He doesn't mention that of course, just focusses on the things he doesn't like in this deal.

[nirvana]

Is there a chance that some Labour MP’s might help May get the deal through Parliament?

I’m sure there were talks with some of them.

Might be a red herring?

Am I missing something?

Expect this to float through.

Only half the expected Tories will.vote it down and most Labour will vote it through?
Why wouldn't they? They want in on the back of this not before.

Or the end of the world.

Boris to announce on Monday it was all part of the plan. He was just pretending.

I think what Labour MPs do is gonna be the most j retesting element on this. If Corbyn and McDonnell and the like can overcome their expressed desire to force a general election then they could probably say this substantially meets their 6 tests and vote it through. After all, leave is close to their personal beliefs, they voted for article 50 and are keen to follow the ref result. May be there will be some arch remainers that vote it down. Personally I'd love to see starmer stand there and say this meets their 6 nebulous tests.

[kukushkin88]

Will we stave or is there enough tinned peaches to save us?

Good morning,

Looks like TM has a found a Brexit so soft that the peaches are safe, for a while at least. Now the Tory and DUP nutters get to say their piece.

[Doobs]

Will we stave or is there enough tinned peaches to save us?

Good morning,

Looks like TM has a found a Brexit so soft that the peaches are safe, for a while at least. Now the Tory and DUP nutters get to say their piece.

It is only very soft in the short term; a lot of this stuff is temporary, such as the right to remain for EU and UK citizens.  You won't have a right to work in France forever if you rock up there in 4 years time.   I think there was a five year residence rule. 

[Woodsey]

Raab resigned......can’t back her deal.

[Doobs]

Raab resigned......can’t back her deal.

Somewhere im England there is a big sigh as a man starts putting his tinned peaches back on the shelf...


Surely it is his deal??

[Woodsey]

Raab resigned......can’t back her deal.

Somewhere im England there is a big sigh as a man starts putting his tinned peaches back on the shelf...


Surely it is his deal??

Don’t think he would have resigned if he was happy and got what he wanted, sounds like it’s TMs way or the highway.

[TightEnd]

Three leading Leavers were ministers at DEXEU Davis, Baker and Raab.

They had ministerial responsibility for negotiating terms of exit - not Remainers.

And now all three have resigned, leaving behind this mess.

They had their chance, and flunked it.

Off to count cans of peaches

(deal has no chance in parliament unless Labour supports)

[Woodsey]

Three leading Leavers were ministers at DEXEU Davis, Baker and Raab.

They had ministerial responsibility for negotiating terms of exit - not Remainers.

And now all three have resigned, leaving behind this mess.

They had their chance, and flunked it.

Off to count cans of peaches

(deal has no chance in parliament unless Labour supports)

I think the buck stops with TM. They have clearly resigned because they could not get their way and what TM wanted has been forced onto them.