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« Reply #15075 on: November 16, 2018, 07:38:57 AM » |
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Lol. Oh yes. If only we could stop the process and magic Jezza and Diane into power and everyone will live in a world of milk and honey..........
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« Reply #15076 on: November 16, 2018, 08:20:06 AM » |
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Is the vote really not going to take place for another 4 weeks?
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« Reply #15077 on: November 16, 2018, 08:31:14 AM » |
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Is the vote really not going to take place for another 4 weeks?
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« Reply #15078 on: November 16, 2018, 08:31:46 AM » |
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Is the vote really not going to take place for another 4 weeks?
Is this real?
Anyone? Why are we wasting a month! They are keen Blonde readers and want us to get to 2000 pages repeating much of the previous thousand. |
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« Reply #15079 on: November 16, 2018, 08:49:32 AM » |
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Is the vote really not going to take place for another 4 weeks?
Is this real?
Anyone? Why are we wasting a month! Because we are useless fks at negotiating and making big decisions! We need more time for a bunch of cockends to improve their posturing skills. What is the issue here? What is your better deal? What is your solution to Ireland/Northern Ireland everyone is happy with? Is there really a more appropriate court than the ECJ to resolve the issues during transition? How come Dominic "so we are an Island, huh? Raab single figures? |
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« Reply #15080 on: November 16, 2018, 09:43:03 AM » |
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I don't know if the line that this was the only deal possible is true. But it's pretty certain that this is the only deal possible now given the time left - there is no possible way that any debate in parliament could reach a consensus that gave negotiators a clear set of changes required that would then ensure it got voted through.
It feels like the 4 week wait before a vote is pretty sensible as it gives the cockends (excellent) time to think through the consequences of voting this down.
If it goes the way of no deal and it is disastrous it will be interesting to see which party suffers the most electorally. My money would be on Labour suffering most - it looks like they want to vote this down for the devilment of it and I think their tactical rather than principled position on Brexit for the last 2 years is going to hurt them quite badly
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« Reply #15081 on: November 16, 2018, 09:51:57 AM » |
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Agreed
Surely JC's best line of attack is we cannot have No Deal so we have to vote through the poor deal TM has scraped together.
Then after the vote he has all sorts of angles to posture for the next GE.
If they vote it down just for the sake of bringing down the government he should be shot.
To be fair.... i think they should all be shot.
Those images of parliament yesterday during lunch time when everyone had just wandered off were outrageous.
How many people do we think would have resigned if it actually meant they didn't have a job today and were out of the cushy politics gravy train for life?
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« Reply #15082 on: November 16, 2018, 10:00:45 AM » |
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I don't know if the line that this was the only deal possible is true. But it's pretty certain that this is the only deal possible now given the time left - there is no possible way that any debate in parliament could reach a consensus that gave negotiators a clear set of changes required that would then ensure it got voted through.
It feels like the 4 week wait before a vote is pretty sensible as it gives the cockends (excellent) time to think through the consequences of voting this down.
If it goes the way of no deal and it is disastrous it will be interesting to see which party suffers the most electorally. My money would be on Labour suffering most - it looks like they want to vote this down for the devilment of it and I think their tactical rather than principled position on Brexit for the last 2 years is going to hurt them quite badly
What leads you to the conclusion that they’d be voting it down for ‘devilment’? It just seems convenient to think that, rather than evidence based. Why would they be voting it down for devilment, rather than the more obvious reason that it’s an incredibly shit deal that only Adz in the whole country (including May herself) seems to like. |
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« Reply #15083 on: November 16, 2018, 10:02:44 AM » |
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They haven't got any better ideas themselves and Corbyn is bang up for a hard Brexit. Labour's posturing on what it can achieve are just as bad as the Brexiters who promised everything would be hunky dory.
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« Reply #15084 on: November 16, 2018, 10:03:38 AM » |
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I thought it would take a little while for the consensus to form that this is Labour’s fault........ :-)
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« Reply #15085 on: November 16, 2018, 10:05:57 AM » |
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I don't know if the line that this was the only deal possible is true. But it's pretty certain that this is the only deal possible now given the time left - there is no possible way that any debate in parliament could reach a consensus that gave negotiators a clear set of changes required that would then ensure it got voted through.
It feels like the 4 week wait before a vote is pretty sensible as it gives the cockends (excellent) time to think through the consequences of voting this down.
If it goes the way of no deal and it is disastrous it will be interesting to see which party suffers the most electorally. My money would be on Labour suffering most - it looks like they want to vote this down for the devilment of it and I think their tactical rather than principled position on Brexit for the last 2 years is going to hurt them quite badly
What leads you to the conclusion that they’d be voting it down for ‘devilment’? It just seems convenient to think that, rather than evidence based. Why would they be voting it down for devilment, rather than the more obvious reason that it’s an incredibly shit deal that only Adz in the whole country (including May herself) seems to like. What is shit about it specifically, genuine question, I'm interested. . If you take the view that leaving is totally the wrong thing and a disaster (perfectly reasonable position) how does this deal make the fact we are leaving worse ? I mean it can't, can it |
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« Reply #15086 on: November 16, 2018, 10:08:50 AM » |
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I don't know if the line that this was the only deal possible is true. But it's pretty certain that this is the only deal possible now given the time left - there is no possible way that any debate in parliament could reach a consensus that gave negotiators a clear set of changes required that would then ensure it got voted through.
It feels like the 4 week wait before a vote is pretty sensible as it gives the cockends (excellent) time to think through the consequences of voting this down.
If it goes the way of no deal and it is disastrous it will be interesting to see which party suffers the most electorally. My money would be on Labour suffering most - it looks like they want to vote this down for the devilment of it and I think their tactical rather than principled position on Brexit for the last 2 years is going to hurt them quite badly
What leads you to the conclusion that they’d be voting it down for ‘devilment’? It just seems convenient to think that, rather than evidence based. Why would they be voting it down for devilment, rather than the more obvious reason that it’s an incredibly shit deal that only Adz in the whole country (including May herself) seems to like. What is shit about it specifically, genuine question, I'm interested. . If you take the view that leaving is totally the wrong thing and a disaster (perfectly reasonable position) how does this deal make the fact we are leaving worse ? I mean it can't, can it Was just writing pretty much this. List the articles that are wrong and how you'd change them? |
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« Reply #15087 on: November 16, 2018, 10:09:31 AM » |
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I thought it would take a little while for the consensus to form that this is Labour’s fault........ :-)
I don't think it's labour's fault ( we can blame the Commons generally) but they've been complicit at every stage - vote for there to be a referendum, vote to invoke Article 50, er vote down a deal that can only help (you can argue as to what degree but its not sustainable to say it doesn't help the situation). |
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« Reply #15088 on: November 16, 2018, 10:12:40 AM » |
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I thought it would take a little while for the consensus to form that this is Labour’s fault........ :-)
Ha ha Can't blame them for the whole thing.... unfortunately :-) But how can it be anything other than devilment? It pretty much tick's their 6 boxes? Unless were missing something it is pretty clear that its either vote this through, or vote it down TM goes, deal is in the bin, EU all facepalm, General Election, fall out the EU with no deal, country slowly implodes. That's my honest view, I don't know what I am missing? Any MP who votes against this whatever their thoughts on the deal we could have had, obviously has no regard for country or constituents. |
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« Reply #15089 on: November 16, 2018, 10:12:59 AM » |
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I'm a Labour voter and of course this is all a mess of the Tories' doing but pointing out that Labour are fucking useless and contributing to this mess isn't saying it's their fault.
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