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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 19 (33.9%)
Labour - 12 (21.4%)
SNP - 2 (3.6%)
Lib Dem - 8 (14.3%)
Brexit - 1 (1.8%)
Green - 6 (10.7%)
Other - 2 (3.6%)
Spoil - 0 (0%)
Not voting - 6 (10.7%)
Total Voters: 55

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« Reply #21900 on: November 06, 2019, 11:26:32 AM »

How much of an effect do we think Trump's endorsement of Boris/Farage might have on voters?

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« Reply #21901 on: November 06, 2019, 12:12:59 PM »

Even though it's not obvious that the Tories are running much of a decent campaign at the moment I believe they will eventually cut through with a limited number of simple messages when people stop resigning, apologising and being booted out.

I feel the Brexit party vote will fall away to a fairly large degree as Farage is sounding ever more swivel eyed - 'this isn't Brexit' is unikely to cut through with very many people imo.

LDs probably attract more of the marching Waitrosians (former Labour and Tory voters) than Farage attracts of jackbooted brexiters.

Can't see anything other than a 50 seat Tory Majority however well Labour continues to campaign with strong NHS and socially oriented messages

The prediction is similar to that which many expected last time around, but I'm struggling to see where they will make the gains to achieve this.  Polling and vote share leads are one thing, but the distribution of those votes are important under our voting system.

From the current starting point, the Tories are likely to lose the seats they picked up in Scotland in 2017 to the SNP/Lib Dems.  They will probably also have more seat losses than Labour arising from the expected Lib Dem gains.  There's a very big question mark on how many seats the Lib Dems will gain, but I don't think any reasonably expects them to stand still or get fewer seats.

That pretty much boils down the election to the Tory/Labour marginals and it's hard to see how either of them currently make the gains they need here to secure a majority.  For me personally, this is the one crumb of comfort I'm clinging on to with regard to the election taking place.

For the Tories to achieve it, they need to eliminate the Brexit Party threat to their vote share and get people to buy-in to their campaign of 'Get Brexit Done' which seems too divisive a message in a country which is pretty much 50:50 split on Brexit.  Yes, they have more effective campaigners than the 2017 Maybot campaign, but if we see too many of the Rees-Mogg, Bridgen, Cleverly type interventions, then the whole 'nasty party' image starts to cut through.

For Labour, they are very much attacking the Lib Dems currently and it was very obvious yesterday that there had been a co-ordinated "Vote Lib Dem, get Tories" social media campaign.  Their success relies on getting enough Remain votes from their 'neutral on Brexit' strategy, and avoiding any 'Toxic Corbyn' collateral damage.  Weirdly, their most effective campaigning tool may well be jumping on the Tory mis-steps, than it will be on getting their own arguments to resonate with the non-converted.

Things may change, but right now, I'm struggling to see how either of them achieve a majority.  The only thing I can predict with a reasonable degree of confidence is that the new Parliament will have more SNP and Lib Dem MP's than before.

Easy to take your ticket on this as a more likely scenario tbf. It's been a very long time since the tories were able to command a significant majority. Just have a fee
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« Reply #21902 on: November 06, 2019, 01:08:54 PM »

For anyone asking where the Tory majority comes from .....

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/gainloss.html

I dont know how good this website is, but I find the content interesting

I am obviously also biased as I would love a Tory majority of 96!
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« Reply #21903 on: November 06, 2019, 01:26:14 PM »

For anyone asking where the Tory majority comes from .....

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/gainloss.html

I dont know how good this website is, but I find the content interesting

I am obviously also biased as I would love a Tory majority of 96!

You can put in your own figures to see what it would result in as well.

I amended some of the poll of poll figures (e.g. I think more Brexit Party voters will actually vote for Conservative and Labour tends to be under represanted in opinion polls); that gave a majority of 50ish.

As with this link it also tells you the seats that changed hand so I looked and moved back any seat to it's incumbent if the estimated leave vote was less than 55% for that area. And I assumed that the Conservatives won't win any seat in Scotland.

Still came back with a majority of 10.

That involved a lot of rough and ready guess work but it looks like the polls will have to be considerably narrower to avoid a Tory majority - which obviously can be done because Labour did just that last time, it's just whether they can do it again.
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« Reply #21904 on: November 06, 2019, 01:42:55 PM »

Ever wondered if the Tories lack fundamental self-awareness?

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1192037394008170496?s=20

I can see that tactic back-firing spectacularly.  She's as spiteful a figure as they have in their ranks.
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« Reply #21905 on: November 06, 2019, 01:53:56 PM »

Ever wondered if the Tories lack fundamental self-awareness?

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1192037394008170496?s=20

I can see that tactic back-firing spectacularly.  She's as spiteful a figure as they have in their ranks.

What an utterly dreadful person she is.
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« Reply #21906 on: November 06, 2019, 02:47:02 PM »

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Some ego this Swinson
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« Reply #21907 on: November 06, 2019, 02:59:57 PM »

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Some ego this Swinson

I read somewhere her hubby has had £3m in funding out of the EU so makes sense why she is so anti brexit
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« Reply #21908 on: November 06, 2019, 03:05:10 PM »

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Some ego this Swinson

I read somewhere her hubby has had £3m in funding out of the EU so makes sense why she is so anti brexit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-50160148

But yeah, Swinson really does grate on me. Would hazard a guess that she's not half as popular as she thinks she is.
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« Reply #21909 on: November 06, 2019, 03:21:00 PM »

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Some ego this Swinson

I read somewhere her hubby has had £3m in funding out of the EU so makes sense why she is so anti brexit

aye that's not true. unfortunately the rubbish spread about this issue goes much further than the fact checking posts (like this one: https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-50160148)

there are many many reasons to dislike Jo Swinson. This isn't one of them.
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« Reply #21910 on: November 06, 2019, 06:11:39 PM »

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Some ego this Swinson

I read somewhere her hubby has had £3m in funding out of the EU so makes sense why she is so anti brexit

aye that's not true. unfortunately the rubbish spread about this issue goes much further than the fact checking posts (like this one: https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-50160148)

there are many many reasons to dislike Jo Swinson. This isn't one of them.

She's definitely had a tip for herself.
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« Reply #21911 on: November 06, 2019, 07:24:45 PM »

I've heard an unusual number of random people say things along the lines of "That fucking Jo Swinson gets right on my nerves"
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« Reply #21912 on: November 06, 2019, 08:13:47 PM »

Tom Watson has resigned

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1192172019149881346

This seems like something that is bad for Labour overall (he was always a pretty reasonable moderate voice) but the Corbynistas probably think it's a massive victory
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« Reply #21913 on: November 06, 2019, 10:57:03 PM »

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Some ego this Swinson

I read somewhere her hubby has had £3m in funding out of the EU so makes sense why she is so anti brexit

aye that's not true. unfortunately the rubbish spread about this issue goes much further than the fact checking posts (like this one: https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-50160148)

there are many many reasons to dislike Jo Swinson. This isn't one of them.

She's definitely had a tip for herself.

It’s her Party and cry if she wants to
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« Reply #21914 on: November 06, 2019, 11:50:03 PM »

Ronnie v Jimmy tomorrow. 🍿
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