The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[BigAdz]

Got rather annoyed with John Major this morning who was getting quite animated about the Leave side making up lots of numbers to justify their cause, and then referring to the fact that no way 88million Turks would repatriate themselves over here. As if anyone ever said that.

I keep hearing that things will get better, and better deals will be struck about immigration if we stay, but didn't Cameron play that card a while back and his negotiations garnered absolutely fuck all, in terms  of a solid agreement to control numbers at an acceptable level?

Much as the economics concerns me, I spend enough time in Europe to see that many businesses abroad don't think we are mad, but actually agree about many of the concerns we have about staying in Europe.

Joining the EU was all about trade relationships. It has turned into so much more, and for that reason, I'm out.

[TightEnd]

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[RickBFA]

I wonder what the percentages either way look like, wasn't it 81% probability we would stay in about a week ago?

Looks tight now.

EDIT : Just checked betfair latest forecast percentages and its 70% stay, 30% leave.

[TightEnd]

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[TightEnd]

IFS mid case hit to public finances on Brexit is £30bn. That's a 26.5% basic rate or 67% higher rate of income tax.

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[TightEnd]

Hitachi Chairman Nakanishi to the Mirror: "jobs would be lost. This is the cold economic reality of Brexit"

 

[TightEnd]

The world is about to see an unprecendented demographic shift http://wef.ch/1Rw1dWL

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[TightEnd]

i think within the political bubble oris is generally reckoned to have had a bad campaign. (though remain's has been worse)

absolutely no effect on his popularity in the country though.....

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[DaveShoelace]

It's Farage vs Cameron today, I am really looking forward to it. Everyone in #leave was angry when Farage was picked as his opponent but he has pretty much been building he whole political career for this moment, he is going to be really well armed for this debate. I actually think he can do a real number on Cameron, IMO #remain should have picked someone a bit more popular than Cameron for this debate, because a lot of people are going to naturally root against the PM IMO.

[TightEnd]

a 20 year old student attempts a jargon free Referendum debate, to convince his eurosceptic grandmother

[redsimon]

It's Farage vs Cameron today, I am really looking forward to it. Everyone in #leave was angry when Farage was picked as his opponent but he has pretty much been building he whole political career for this moment, he is going to be really well armed for this debate. I actually think he can do a real number on Cameron, IMO #remain should have picked someone a bit more popular than Cameron for this debate, because a lot of people are going to naturally root against the PM IMO.

I'm pretty sure its not a debate as such. Both speaking separately.

[DaveShoelace]

It's Farage vs Cameron today, I am really looking forward to it. Everyone in #leave was angry when Farage was picked as his opponent but he has pretty much been building he whole political career for this moment, he is going to be really well armed for this debate. I actually think he can do a real number on Cameron, IMO #remain should have picked someone a bit more popular than Cameron for this debate, because a lot of people are going to naturally root against the PM IMO.

I'm pretty sure its not a debate as such. Both speaking separately.

Oh, that sucks. Not that arsed then.

[nirvana]

Market fears of a currency meltdown, pound plunging etc.
The economics argument is just such bilge. We don't  need a Brexit situation (as hoddle might say) to has a meltdown. Pretty regular occurrence

[TightEnd]

Market fears of a currency meltdown, pound plunging etc.
The economics argument is just such bilge. We don't  need a Brexit situation (as hoddle might say) to has a meltdown. Pretty regular occurrence

you don't think brexit will mean a lower pound, some economic dislocation, lower employment levels?

surely its not bilge, even brexit people admit there will be a consequence. they merely prefer to think that sovereignty, control of borders etc are more important issues long term

[nirvana]

Market fears of a currency meltdown, pound plunging etc.
The economics argument is just such bilge. We don't  need a Brexit situation (as hoddle might say) to has a meltdown. Pretty regular occurrence

you don't think brexit will mean a lower pound, some economic dislocation, lower employment levels?

surely its not bilge, even brexit people admit there will be a consequence. they merely prefer to think that sovereignty, control of borders etc are more important issues long term

Could all be true but we could have all that without Brexit quite easily. History shows us that and that we don't anticipate things very well.  Arguably Brexit is already priced in to an extent as there's been a long build up.. Hypothetically at least there could be sense in this short term pain for a greater end than the austerity we live with today which had no end game..just hyperbolic short term gains for the greedy a few years back