The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Marky147]

quite the scoop

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Sounds like Boris knows exactly where/who this came from. Who the hell would want to be a politician with all the snidey lowlifes floating around looking for opportunities like this to chuck petrol on the fire at the first opportunity.

You would Woodsey... I hear the pensions are superb

[Woodsey]

quite the scoop

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Sounds like Boris knows exactly where/who this came from. Who the hell would want to be a politician with all the snidey lowlifes floating around looking for opportunities like this to chuck petrol on the fire at the first opportunity.

You would Woodsey... I hear the pensions are superb

I hoped you lumped on too to ride the wave 

[The Camel]

One way or another, I think we will stay in the EU. Now that the leave campaigners lies have been exposed I think remainders are in the majority.

It may be true, a real victory for anti-democrats and global business.

You sound rather naïve or one-eyed, I think, in that both sides campaigned with a set of half truths, non-truths, mis-leads and mis-directions - er, just like all politicians do when confronted with an electorate. Why, because they have no respect for us.

There is no moral high ground to be had here - all we can do is use our own personal judgement and discernment to decide what we believe. The only reason that remain is still on the agenda is that (almost) the entire establishment campaigned for remain and lost.

As you would expect, the 'lies' told by leave will count far more heavily against them (as the incumbent so  to speak) than the lies told by remain in the event of a new vote

I disagree with the bolded bit.

If remain had won by the same 52-48 margin, do you honestly think the leavers would "shut up and accepted the result"?

They would have begun their campaign for a new vote the next day.

[nirvana]

One way or another, I think we will stay in the EU. Now that the leave campaigners lies have been exposed I think remainders are in the majority.

It may be true, a real victory for anti-democrats and global business.

You sound rather naïve or one-eyed, I think, in that both sides campaigned with a set of half truths, non-truths, mis-leads and mis-directions - er, just like all politicians do when confronted with an electorate. Why, because they have no respect for us.

There is no moral high ground to be had here - all we can do is use our own personal judgement and discernment to decide what we believe. The only reason that remain is still on the agenda is that (almost) the entire establishment campaigned for remain and lost.

As you would expect, the 'lies' told by leave will count far more heavily against them (as the incumbent so  to speak) than the lies told by remain in the event of a new vote

I disagree with the bolded bit.

If remain had won by the same 52-48 margin, do you honestly think the leavers would "shut up and accepted the result"?

They would have begun their campaign for a new vote the next day.

You can't equate the 2 situations I think. I agree that the leavers wouldn't shut up and would continue to be seen as a pressure lobby in an out of the Tory party. But zero probability of another vote within say 30 years and no one would seriously believe there would be another vote.

The establishment aligning and blocking Brexit is underway in earnest with serial legal and political challenges - the bolded bit is a kind of statement of fact as opposed to opinion I think

[TightEnd]

Could Brexit prove terminal for the NHS?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/16/could-brexit-prove-terminal-for-the-nhs?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews#link_time=1476607385

[TightEnd]

Suddenly questions are being asked whether TMay is up to it

Three Brexiteer wheeze unravels. Is May up to it?

http://reaction.life/three-brexiteer-wheeze-unravels-may/?sf

[TightEnd]

No 10 plays down cabinet differences over Brexit

PM said to have ‘full confidence’ in Philip Hammond after cabinet members reportedly criticised chancellor’s stance

he's been criticised it for approaching it like an accountant. the chancellor? like an accountant? whatever next!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/17/philip-hammonds-brexit-worries-point-to-cabinet-tensions

[TightEnd]

Irish leaders fear Brexit will bring disaster

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[TightEnd]

interesting

Shadow Chancellor suggests UK govt *shouldn't* pay to protect financial services from Brexit impact

http://press.labour.org.uk/post/151935751079/britain-has-voted-to-leave-the-eu-it-has-not

[TightEnd]

Stephen Woolfe is quitting UKIP - tells BBC, UKIP is in a 'death spiral' and is 'ungovernable'

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[TightEnd]

Broadcast regulator dismisses every complaint of bias about Jeremy Corbyn coverage http://bit.ly/2exxR3L

[MANTIS01]

One way or another, I think we will stay in the EU. Now that the leave campaigners lies have been exposed I think remainders are in the majority.

It may be true, a real victory for anti-democrats and global business.

You sound rather naïve or one-eyed, I think, in that both sides campaigned with a set of half truths, non-truths, mis-leads and mis-directions - er, just like all politicians do when confronted with an electorate. Why, because they have no respect for us.

There is no moral high ground to be had here - all we can do is use our own personal judgement and discernment to decide what we believe. The only reason that remain is still on the agenda is that (almost) the entire establishment campaigned for remain and lost.

As you would expect, the 'lies' told by leave will count far more heavily against them (as the incumbent so  to speak) than the lies told by remain in the event of a new vote

I disagree with the bolded bit.

If remain had won by the same 52-48 margin, do you honestly think the leavers would "shut up and accepted the result"?

They would have begun their campaign for a new vote the next day.

You can't equate the 2 situations I think. I agree that the leavers wouldn't shut up and would continue to be seen as a pressure lobby in an out of the Tory party. But zero probability of another vote within say 30 years and no one would seriously believe there would be another vote.

The establishment aligning and blocking Brexit is underway in earnest with serial legal and political challenges - the bolded bit is a kind of statement of fact as opposed to opinion I think

Establishment: Hey public what would you like to call our new polar research ship.

Public: Boaty McBoatface

Establishment: Errr no.

Lolz voting for anything is becoming somewhat pointless really.

[MintTrav]

Make UKIP Great Again!

Following on from the Trump campaign, Breitbart is now aiming at taking over UKIP.

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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/10/05/breitbarts-raheem-kassam-run-ukip-leader/

[TightEnd]

Interesting OpEd from Hague

Just as central bank policies helped cause crash, they're now creating new social unease

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/17/central-bankers-have-collectively-lost-the-plot-they-must-raise/

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[TightEnd]

data nerds

Brexit, a story in maps

https://medium.com/@jakeybob/brexit-maps-d70caab7315e#.zht81gigj