The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[DaveShoelace]

i am surprised May's number here is holding up in the brexitshambles. she's crap at PMQs too

as for Corbyn, still the only labour leader never to have had a positive net figure

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Yeah in a way I feel bad for her in PMQs to have been lumbered right away with Brexit, but thems the breaks I guess. Corbyn is getting much much better at it, most notably with how he calls her previous answers out now. He is still crap though.

[The Camel]

If Corbyn and Labour are now going to back Brexit (or at least not try to stop it), there needs to be a split in the Labour Party ASAP.

There's every chance that A50 is not going to be triggered before the next election, whenever that is.

Remain Labour, Lib Dems and SNP can form an electoral pact as the "Unite against Brexit" group. Waiting until Labour is beaten soundly will be too late.

Corbyn literally has less clue which direction to take than May!

[doubleup]

anyone see newsnight last night

the eurocrat was scathing

"Boris offering "things that are intellectually impossible, politically unavailable""

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37995606

This kind of stuff is exactly why the government is afraid of the parliamentary process.  They want to hide the implications of leaving the single market and moving to WTO terms.  They would be forced to answer questions like "do they intend to put tariffs on food imports from Europe" - thus pushing up inflation and hitting the low paid.  And admit that it will no longer be possible for smaller businesses to efficiently move goods in and out of Europe - they will have to wait at ports in Europe for customs clearance and inspection and European drivers to take them the rest of their journey.


 

[RickBFA]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37997713

 
Nice to see unemployment down again.

GTFO with all this positive nonsense....

When we get some bad news it will get shouted from the rooftops by plenty, that's guaranteed.

[redsimon]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37997713

 
Nice to see unemployment down again.

Meanwhile, the number of people claiming unemployment benefits in October increased by 9,800, the biggest rise since May, the ONS said.
The employment figures are based on the Labour Force Survey, in which the ONS speaks to about 40,000 households once every three months.
That is a very large survey, but it still means the figures are not precise.
The ONS is 95% confident that the figure of a 37,000 fall in unemployment is accurate give or take 79,000. That means that the fall in unemployment is not statistically significant.

[Woodsey]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37997713

 
Nice to see unemployment down again.

Meanwhile, the number of people claiming unemployment benefits in October increased by 9,800, the biggest rise since May, the ONS said.
The employment figures are based on the Labour Force Survey, in which the ONS speaks to about 40,000 households once every three months.
That is a very large survey, but it still means the figures are not precise.
The ONS is 95% confident that the figure of a 37,000 fall in unemployment is accurate give or take 79,000. That means that the fall in unemployment is not statistically significant.

I already told him to stop with the positive stuff, no need to give him a beating about it....

[rfgqqabc]

http://www.pwc.co.uk/services/economics-policy/insights/uk-economic-outlook.html


Highlights
UK economic growth held up better than expected immediately after the Brexit vote, particularly as regards consumer spending and services. For 2016 as a whole, growth now looks likely to average around 2%.

In our main scenario, we project UK growth to slow to around 1.2% in 2017 due to the drag on business investment from increased political and economic uncertainty following the ‘Brexit’ vote.  But we don’t expect the UK to suffer a recession next year.

The main reason for the slowdown will be a decline in business investment, driven in particular by uncertainty about the UK’s future trading relationships with the EU in the longer term.

Consumer spending growth is projected to hold up better, but will still slow from previous strong rates, dropping to around 2% in 2017 in our main scenario. This reflects the impact of a weaker pound in pushing up import prices and squeezing the real spending power of households, as inflation rises to well above its 2% target rate by the end of 2017.

[PokerBroker]

i am surprised May's number here is holding up in the brexitshambles. she's crap at PMQs too

as for Corbyn, still the only labour leader never to have had a positive net figure

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Are we still paying attention to these polls? 

They haven't done too well in the last 3 big decisions. 

Also, I am still aghast at the one that put wee Ruthie on a positive rating and a higher rating than the Sturge.  Considering the political landscape in Scotland, it's just not possible to get that sort of data unless you asked the questions in either the borders or Edinburgh South East.

[rfgqqabc]

Do people care we subsidise the dividend paying rail companies? Seems like a sweet deal to me. I don't really remember national rail but trains are very expensive now. Its a bit shitty I can drive from Yorkshire to Essex cheaper than i can hey Just like those royal mail shares I got to buy. Admittedly booking the early tickets does seem like a bit of a steal when I can be organised enough

"Second, governments also fund lots of infrastructure that isn’t profitable, like rail transit. And here, “no amount of tax breaks would get private investors to spend money on infrastructure that doesn’t pay,” O’Toole says."

[TightEnd]

48% of British voters hold "authoritarian populist" views -  the results of a major new study

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/11/16/trump-brexit-front-national-afd-branches-same-tree/

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[TightEnd]

Current state Brexit negotiations, via Italy minister who met Foreign Sec.

Like much global politics, this is beyond any plausible parody:

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[TightEnd]

Prof John Curtice Nat Centre polling finds 90% of want single market access 70% immigration controls, poll finds

and impossible to achieve both!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/16/uk-voters-want-single-market-access-and-immigration-controls-poll-finds?CMP=share_btn_tw

[TightEnd]

oh.

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[TightEnd]

Theresa May didn't set up Boris Johnson to fail, but he will make a mess of Brexit anyway.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-brexit-theresa-may-comments-czech-newspapers-free-movement-european-union-mess-a7420661.html

[TightEnd]

There is a gaping hole where Britain's foreign policy should be

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/11/there-gaping-hole-where-britains-foreign-policy-should-be