The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[TightEnd]

more daily mail comments. obviously not typically of most leave voters, but what the heck?

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clever.

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Brexit moves from abstract idea to cold reality. From today's WaughZone http://huff.to/28SLgvv

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ok thats plenty to get your teeth into

Hilary Benn is on Marr shortly and the 2 hour Sunday politics with Andrew Neil later should be an absolute corker

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[DungBeetle]

I'm not sure how true this is but certainly seems feasible to me:

From The Guardian's comments section:

If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

How?

Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.

And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.

While I'd like us to remain in the EU, this just seems to be clutching at straws.  It essentially just says that no politician has the guts to follow the referendum result.

[TightEnd]

'these resignations don't matter and Jeremy is on course for a glorious victory'

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i loved this bit

pressed on the £350m from saved EU spend to the NHS pledge

IDS: "I never said that during the election!"

Marr: "You put it on the side of a bus!".

:-)

(the problem is that farage/leave.eu promised a heap of stuff too but weren't the official campaign, yet undoubtedly a section believed they were official promises)

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Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick now9 seconds ago

Shad Cab were planning to confront Corbyn tmrw says one snr Lab source, with no more than 12 of 29 not quitting. Tom Watson involved.



quite unprecedented stuff really, the government is all over the shop, no real PM, Osborne missing and now the other side is in a real scrap too

[PokerBroker]

Perhaps Sturgeon should step in as PM she seems to be the only one showing any sort of leadership. 

[TightEnd]

Perhaps Sturgeon should step in as PM she seems to be the only one showing any sort of leadership. 

she's the only one with any stability in her position, that's why, apart from Tim Farron

the rest of it is absolute chaos.

[nirvana]

'these resignations don't matter and Jeremy is on course for a glorious victory'

Chortle

"My feelings as usual......."

[TightEnd]

another likely to be very unpopular position

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bloody hell, i can't keep up

 Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak 12m12 minutes ago

Just seen documents going back to December, sources say show how Corbyn's office tried to 'sabotage' Labour Remain campaign

Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak 4m4 minutes ago

Lab MPs now suggesting Tom Watson could take over as interim leader with no election - he is on a train back from Glastonbury...

Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak now3 minutes ago

Key to this is if Labour members' v solid support and enthusiasm for Corbyn remains, some MPs say its fading in their constituencies