The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Jon MW]

Brexit voters are not thick, not racist: just poor http://specc.ie/29gwa8e

The vast majority of poor people are thick, that is surely obvious but people are too scared to say it.

If they were intelligent, they would better themselves, get an education, then secure a decent job and no longer be poor.

(It clearly isn't that easy, but I'm making a point)

I disagree.

I think the vast majority of poor people are that way because from childhood they don't have the same opportunities, education, or high achieving role models within their peer group

Take any child from a poor family at birth and foster it with an upper middle class family, by the time it leaves school it will be indistinguishable from other upper middle class children. That wouldn't be the case if it was thick.

Part of the problem is that there isn't a single fixed definition for intelligence (and hence for the opposite - 'thickness', 'thickosity'?)

That article stated at one point, "people who didn’t get good GCSE results (which is primarily an indicator of class, not stupidity)" - kind of misses the point. Getting worse GCSE results is very strongly correlated with how much stuff you know; it is also correlated with class. But it doesn't mean you're not stupid if you don't get good GCSE results. It probably means you're more likely to have had less support from your family and you were less motivated to learn the extra stuff you needed to get the good results (plus a host of other reasons which relate to class). But at the end of the day - you still know less stuff.

So it's true that if you took a child from a poor family and put it in an upper middle class family - by the time it leaves school it would be likely to get the same kind of results as the other upper middle class children; but that would be because it would know more than if it was raised in the poor household.

If you know less stuff you are going to be more thick than if you know more stuff - and if you grow up in a poor household you are more likely to know less stuff.

[TightEnd]

421 of 574 westminster constituencies probably voted to leave

thought that was remarkable

https://medium.com/@chrishanretty/the-eu-referendum-how-did-westminster-constituencies-vote-283c85cd20e1#.vmx2aqllt

[TightEnd]

the portland conspiracy theory ((PR firm said to be orchestrating corbyn coup) doing the round on blogs..this is the sensible version rather than the pencils up nose, underpants on head ranting being seen

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2016/06/it-true-pr-firm-full-blairites-orchestrating-labour-coup

[arbboy]

Brexit voters are not thick, not racist: just poor http://specc.ie/29gwa8e

The vast majority of poor people are thick, that is surely obvious but people are too scared to say it.

If they were intelligent, they would better themselves, get an education, then secure a decent job and no longer be poor.

(It clearly isn't that easy, but I'm making a point)

I disagree.

I think the vast majority of poor people are that way because from childhood they don't have the same opportunities, education, or high achieving role models within their peer group

Take any child from a poor family at birth and foster it with an upper middle class family, by the time it leaves school it will be indistinguishable from other upper middle class children. That wouldn't be the case if it was thick.

Very true. 

[TightEnd]

City of london activates emergency brexit forcefield yesterday

Click to see full-size image.

[PokerBroker]

Brexit voters are not thick, not racist: just poor http://specc.ie/29gwa8e

The vast majority of poor people are thick, that is surely obvious but people are too scared to say it.

If they were intelligent, they would better themselves, get an education, then secure a decent job and no longer be poor.

(It clearly isn't that easy, but I'm making a point)

I disagree.

I think the vast majority of poor people are that way because from childhood they don't have the same opportunities, education, or high achieving role models within their peer group

Take any child from a poor family at birth and foster it with an upper middle class family, by the time it leaves school it will be indistinguishable from other upper middle class children. That wouldn't be the case if it was thick.

Very true.  

Ignorance also plays a huge part in how clever you are. I know plenty of people who are as thick as pig shit who have come from poor/well off families but are thick because they don't have an open mind or the environment they grew up in was close minded.  

On the otherhand I know lots of people from poor families/lower socio-economic backgrounds who are really quite intelligent but haven't managed to break away from their roots.

It all comes back to class imo.  

Also I don't think how many GCSE's/Scottish Highers you get dictates how clever you are. 

We wouldn'tsay the likes of Sugar/Branson were thick ased on how well they did in education. 

I'm pretty sure we have all sat with people who have a a clean sweep of academic awards and thought, you're thick as fuck pal. 

[DungBeetle]

With regard to intelligence, background is a handicap system isn't it?  Take equal intelligence kids from a poor and well off household then the kid who gets private education and a learning environment where everyone wants to/is forced to learn and the rich kid ends up in a better career all the time.  And that's before you get to the impacts of family networks etc.  I don't think you can plot both scenarios on the same graph and draw meaningful conclusions?

[The Camel]

There must be a genetic factor too.

If you have two thick parents, you are much more likely to be thick yourself surely?

[RED-DOG]

There must be a genetic factor too.

If you have two thick parents, you are much more likely to be thick yourself surely?

Can you define thick please?

[PokerBroker]

There must be a genetic factor too.

If you have two thick parents, you are much more likely to be thick yourself surely?

I wouldn't say that necessarily down to genetics though.  it comes back to circumstances.  It depends on how you weight intelligence as well.  

Also much depends on why the parents were "thick".

I'd say that f you have two loving parents who devote their time to you as a child and give you the best possible enviroment to learn in then there is a chance you can become much smarter than your genetics.  

If on the otherhand you have 2 parents who don't care and show no love etc then chances are you will struggle not just with intellect but with all manner of emotions as you get older.  

[The Camel]

There must be a genetic factor too.

If you have two thick parents, you are much more likely to be thick yourself surely?

I wouldn't say that necessarily down to genetics though.  it comes back to circumstances.  It depends on how you weight intelligence as well.  

Also much depends on why the parents were "thick".

I'd say that f you have two loving parents who devote their time to you as a child and give you the best possible enviroment to learn in then there is a chance you can become much smarter than your genetics.  

If on the otherhand you have 2 parents who don't care and show no love etc then chances are you will struggle not just with intellect but with all manner of emotions as you get older.  

My definition of thick is someone who votes in a referendum for something which is clearly against his and his families best interest.

[DungBeetle]

There must be a genetic factor too.

If you have two thick parents, you are much more likely to be thick yourself surely?

Agree.  But earning potential is also a game where the odds are loaded against poor people.  You might get 2 smart people who have lost the game but have a very intelligent kid.  But then he faces the same hurdles they did.  By the way I speak as someone from a privileged background but I know many dumb kids from my schooldays who have done very well due to their circumstance.

[RED-DOG]

There must be a genetic factor too.

If you have two thick parents, you are much more likely to be thick yourself surely?

I wouldn't say that necessarily down to genetics though.  it comes back to circumstances.  It depends on how you weight intelligence as well.  

Also much depends on why the parents were "thick".

I'd say that f you have two loving parents who devote their time to you as a child and give you the best possible enviroment to learn in then there is a chance you can become much smarter than your genetics.  

If on the otherhand you have 2 parents who don't care and show no love etc then chances are you will struggle not just with intellect but with all manner of emotions as you get older.  

My definition of thick is someone who votes in a referendum for something which is clearly against his and his families best interest.

Oh, sorry, I thought we were having a serious discussion. I'll leave you to it.

[DungBeetle]

There must be a genetic factor too.

If you have two thick parents, you are much more likely to be thick yourself surely?

I wouldn't say that necessarily down to genetics though.  it comes back to circumstances.  It depends on how you weight intelligence as well.  

Also much depends on why the parents were "thick".

I'd say that f you have two loving parents who devote their time to you as a child and give you the best possible enviroment to learn in then there is a chance you can become much smarter than your genetics.  

If on the otherhand you have 2 parents who don't care and show no love etc then chances are you will struggle not just with intellect but with all manner of emotions as you get older.  

My definition of thick is someone who votes in a referendum for something which is clearly against his and his families best interest.

That was probably a cry for help at the end of the day.  Anger and frustration that the system works against them.  The EU is just a scapegoat at the end of day?

[atdc21]

oi cant read or write, but i can droive tracter .... is i fick please?