The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[TightEnd]

Centre-left breakaway party a 'real, real possibility' - Lib Dem leader http://dailym.ai/29U1DMc 

[TightEnd]

trident vote today

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[The Camel]

Labour MP, Thangam Debbonaireon, on why she has no confidence in Jeremy Corbyn. Powerful stuff.

https://www.facebook.com/thangam.debbonaire/posts/10157204442320083

[The Camel]

Is Theresa May rowing back on ‘Brexit means Brexit’? – http://buff.ly/29CiPHl

Does this make sense?

Even though for the majority of businesses Brexit is going to be a bad thing, surely uncertainty is much worse.

We've got a PM who is hovering with her finger over the Article 50 button saying "I think I'm going to press it today, I really am....!"

Then saying "Nah, I don't feel like it today. I will definitely do it tomorrow though. Maybe."

[TightEnd]

Is Theresa May rowing back on ‘Brexit means Brexit’? – http://buff.ly/29CiPHl

Does this make sense?

Even though for the majority of businesses Brexit is going to be a bad thing, surely uncertainty is much worse.

We've got a PM who is hovering with her finger over the Article 50 button saying "I think I'm going to press it today, I really am....!"

Then saying "Nah, I don't feel like it today. I will definitely do it tomorrow though. Maybe."

Practically they aren't ready to invoke Article 50.

Have no negotiators, and the EU countries seem reluctant to discuss any frameworks ahead of invoking so its an awkward one

above that they need to know what they are looking for in a deal.

is restriction on free movement of labour key? is access to the single market key? how can you get both when free movement is a red line for the EU and single market access is key to UK business?

all round its a tough one, and probably uncertainty is a necessary bi-product of there being no preparations for this beforehand?

[The Camel]

Is Theresa May rowing back on ‘Brexit means Brexit’? – http://buff.ly/29CiPHl

Does this make sense?

Even though for the majority of businesses Brexit is going to be a bad thing, surely uncertainty is much worse.

We've got a PM who is hovering with her finger over the Article 50 button saying "I think I'm going to press it today, I really am....!"

Then saying "Nah, I don't feel like it today. I will definitely do it tomorrow though. Maybe."

Practically they aren't ready to invoke Article 50.

Have no negotiators, and the EU countries seem reluctant to discuss any frameworks ahead of invoking so its an awkward one

above that they need to know what they are looking for in a deal.

is restriction on free movement of labour key? is access to the single market key? how can you get both when free movement is a red line for the EU and single market access is key to UK business?

all round its a tough one, and probably uncertainty is a necessary bi-product of there being no preparations for this beforehand?

Do you think the Brexit voters will be happy about this? I would guess a huge majority of them would have expected the wheels to be in motion for our exit well before the end of 2016 when they put their cross in the box.

Let's imagine Article 50 still hasn't been triggered by Jan 1st 2020.

How will the Tories explain that away with a general election imminent?

[The Camel]

Also begs the question why the Remain camp didn't press the Leave campaign more strongly to produce a timetable for Brexit.

Remain spent all their time focussing on the doomsday scenario of leaving, but if they had pressed the leavers for a more detailed menu of the mechanics of leaving, maybe they would have would been successful.

I was a committed remainiac, but even in my worst nightmares I didn't imagine the chaos which has ensued from a leave vote.

And we haven't even started negotiating our exit yet!

[TightEnd]

i expect many will be unhappy, but many were happy to vote leave without having a clue of the complexities involved or even knowing what brexit would look like. some of it was a protest vote, some was an anti-immigration vote. i expect the later will be more pissed off than the former

a) an early election if corbyn wins again would give (probably) five years from 2017 for a new May government to sort it

b) if no early election it will be invoked well before the next election. just not yet.

c) May's electoral "windbreak" is she's put three brexiteers in charge of doing it and can sack them and say to the voters "well they wanted it but couldn't deliver it" as a final option. whether voters make that distinction i don't know.

The Brexit department set up last week is currently in a box room in the treasury (slight exaggeration). got to staff it, find it premises, hire negotiators etc from scratch.

then work out what they want brexit to look like (eg norway, switzerland, eea etc)

then invoke article 50

then negotiate it in 2 years when trade deals can take a decade or more

not easy!

[TightEnd]

Also begs the question why the Remain camp didn't press the Leave campaign more strongly to produce a timetable for Brexit.

Remain spent all their time focussing on the doomsday scenario of leaving, but if they had pressed the leavers for a more detailed menu of the mechanics of leaving, maybe they would have would been successful.

I was a committed remainiac, but even in my worst nightmares I didn't imagine the chaos which has ensued from a leave vote.

And we haven't even started negotiating our exit yet!

agree, but i think everyone on here leave or remain, labour or tory thought the remain campaign was a complete shambles.

there is also an argument, probably a strong one, that a good percentage of leave voters weren't listening to issues like "what will brexit look like" and so it wouldn't have made any difference, they vote anti-establishment/anti globalisation/anti EU/anti immigration* anyway

*whichever applies

[The Camel]

i expect many will be unhappy, but many were happy to vote leave without having a clue of the complexities involved or even knowing what brexit would look like. some of it was a protest vote, some was an anti-immigration vote. i expect the later will be more pissed off than the former

a) an early election if corbyn wins again would give (probably) five years from 2017 for a new May government to sort it

b) if no early election it will be invoked well before the next election. just not yet.

c) May's electoral "windbreak" is she's put three brexiteers in charge of doing it and can sack them and say to the voters "well they wanted it but couldn't deliver it" as a final option. whether voters make that distinction i don't know.

The Brexit department set up last week is currently in a box room in the treasury (slight exaggeration). got to staff it, find it premises, hire negotiators etc from scratch.

then work out what they want brexit to look like (eg norway, switzerland, eea etc)

then invoke article 50

then negotiate it in 2 years when trade deals can take a decade or more

not easy!

Ha, hadn't thought of the bolded bit quite like that.

Makes the Johnson appointment for a job he looks wholly unqualified for look justifiable, even if he makes Britain look like a laughing stock for a couple of years while doing it.

[The Camel]

Also begs the question why the Remain camp didn't press the Leave campaign more strongly to produce a timetable for Brexit.

Remain spent all their time focussing on the doomsday scenario of leaving, but if they had pressed the leavers for a more detailed menu of the mechanics of leaving, maybe they would have would been successful.

I was a committed remainiac, but even in my worst nightmares I didn't imagine the chaos which has ensued from a leave vote.

And we haven't even started negotiating our exit yet!

agree, but i think everyone on here leave or remain, labour or tory thought the remain campaign was a complete shambles.

there is also an argument, probably a strong one, that a good percentage of leave voters weren't listening to issues like "what will brexit look like" and so it wouldn't have made any difference, they vote anti-establishment/anti globalisation/anti EU/anti immigration* anyway

*whichever applies

I guess so. 30 years of blaming the EU for everything from why we have a ever growing deficit, why Poles are taking jobs while British workers remain in the dole queue to why we can't have bendy bananas was always going to take more than a 6 week campaign to disprove.

[TightEnd]

10x the EU is 1.5x the size of the entire world economy.....

um....

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[rfgqqabc]

Labour MP, Thangam Debbonaireon, on why she has no confidence in Jeremy Corbyn. Powerful stuff.

https://www.facebook.com/thangam.debbonaire/posts/10157204442320083

"And because Corbyn supporters had already piled into me for disloyalty when I had had to miss votes for cancer treatment."

How the fuck is it 2016 and we are still having an MP miss votes for cancer treatment AND people abuse her for it (I can't imagine they know but ignorance is not an excuse). How is their not a system in place to allow her to do her job.

[DMorgan]

10x the EU is 1.5x the size of the entire world economy.....

um....

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What a perfect metaphor for the Leave campaign

In steps Trump "Well...maybe not ten times...but its gunna be much bigger folks, its gunna be fantastic. Best trading bloc I ever saw...it'll be wonderful you're all gunna love it"

[TightEnd]

Interesting

"The big Brexit prize: breaking the NHS "

what US will try to get in a US-UK trade deal

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