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Question: How will you vote on June 8th 2017
Conservative - 29 (28.4%)
Labour - 36 (35.3%)
Lib Dem - 13 (12.7%)
UKIP - 1 (1%)
Green - 1 (1%)
Nationalist party eg SNP, Plaid - 7 (6.9%)
Don't intend to vote - 4 (3.9%)
I really don't know yet - 11 (10.8%)
Total Voters: 102

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« Reply #13305 on: July 11, 2018, 02:54:06 PM »

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« Reply #13306 on: July 11, 2018, 04:03:23 PM »

I wish one of the main parties had the integrity to say clearly they have no interest in pursuing the referendum result and in the case of the Tories they could add that they are clueless how to after 2 years of vacillation. They could also add that they really really hope a different outcome is reached. Pathetic bunch.

Yep, completely agree, I voted Leave but now I think the best thing would be Mrs May stating;

Hands up, two years in, we have no sensible options, we cant deliver this, David Cameron is a twat.


Interesting you think the same, the last 10 days or so have been so ridiculous it feels like the only sensible option. For a while I wanted to believe that Brexit meant Brexit but when it becomes apparent that Brexit means remain you gotta think again.

Now a ridiculous scenario where Labour tries to keep May trundling along towards the most meaningless exit ever, ever with no hint of a flounce or a flourish rather than blinking and stepping up themselves to say 'let's call the whole thing off'.

I'm not sure anyone can take it but think there should be EUref2, closely followed by a general election. Be interesting to see what the markets think of marginal remain followed by a reasonably strong prospect of a labour government.. give this thread some legs like.
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« Reply #13307 on: July 11, 2018, 10:48:02 PM »

I wish one of the main parties had the integrity to say clearly they have no interest in pursuing the referendum result and in the case of the Tories they could add that they are clueless how to after 2 years of vacillation. They could also add that they really really hope a different outcome is reached. Pathetic bunch.

Yep, completely agree, I voted Leave but now I think the best thing would be Mrs May stating;

Hands up, two years in, we have no sensible options, we cant deliver this, David Cameron is a twat.


Interesting you think the same, the last 10 days or so have been so ridiculous it feels like the only sensible option. For a while I wanted to believe that Brexit meant Brexit but when it becomes apparent that Brexit means remain you gotta think again.

Now a ridiculous scenario where Labour tries to keep May trundling along towards the most meaningless exit ever, ever with no hint of a flounce or a flourish rather than blinking and stepping up themselves to say 'let's call the whole thing off'.

I'm not sure anyone can take it but think there should be EUref2, closely followed by a general election. Be interesting to see what the markets think of marginal remain followed by a reasonably strong prospect of a labour government.. give this thread some legs like.

Do you not think it would be a landslide for Remain should there be another referendum?
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« Reply #13308 on: July 11, 2018, 11:06:30 PM »

I wish one of the main parties had the integrity to say clearly they have no interest in pursuing the referendum result and in the case of the Tories they could add that they are clueless how to after 2 years of vacillation. They could also add that they really really hope a different outcome is reached. Pathetic bunch.

Yep, completely agree, I voted Leave but now I think the best thing would be Mrs May stating;

Hands up, two years in, we have no sensible options, we cant deliver this, David Cameron is a twat.


Interesting you think the same, the last 10 days or so have been so ridiculous it feels like the only sensible option. For a while I wanted to believe that Brexit meant Brexit but when it becomes apparent that Brexit means remain you gotta think again.

Now a ridiculous scenario where Labour tries to keep May trundling along towards the most meaningless exit ever, ever with no hint of a flounce or a flourish rather than blinking and stepping up themselves to say 'let's call the whole thing off'.

I'm not sure anyone can take it but think there should be EUref2, closely followed by a general election. Be interesting to see what the markets think of marginal remain followed by a reasonably strong prospect of a labour government.. give this thread some legs like.

Do you not think it would be a landslide for Remain should there be another referendum?

Not sure really, can think of a lot of reasons why it would be close again despite the abject, Tory led, efforts at leaving since the last ref. All a bit academic probably but some fun to speculate.
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« Reply #13309 on: July 11, 2018, 11:20:06 PM »

Being patronised and threatened throughout is bound to get everybody doing an about turn, always a persuasive strategy.
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« Reply #13310 on: July 11, 2018, 11:23:04 PM »

If we are to have RefII then it should be in two+ years time after we've thrashed out the finer details of various options:


i) hard exit, border in Ireland, Troubles likely, planes/medicines/imports etc.  screwed

ii) softer exit etc. etc.

iii) EEA, freeish movement from the EU, tighten up (again) on the rest

iv) let's just say it was a bad dream....

v) A.N. Others

Suspend Art 50 in the meantime.

Otherwise we get another five years of listening to politicians saying "what the people actually meant when they voted in RefII was...."
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« Reply #13311 on: July 11, 2018, 11:39:57 PM »

Being patronised and threatened throughout is bound to get everybody doing an about turn, always a persuasive strategy.

These are a couple of the reasons why I imagine it would be close again - smugness and sneering quotient likely to rise too and stiffen the resolve of the gfy element of leave voters.

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« Reply #13312 on: July 12, 2018, 12:40:06 AM »


Never vote Conservative: that will be a great legacy.
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« Reply #13313 on: July 12, 2018, 08:16:23 AM »

Being patronised and threatened throughout is bound to get everybody doing an about turn, always a persuasive strategy.


You're an excellent contributor and a real asset to the forum, but shut the fuck up before I come round there and sort you out.
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« Reply #13314 on: July 12, 2018, 03:04:14 PM »


Never vote Conservative: that will be a great legacy.

It is interesting that even in mid term, when the Tories are pulling themselves apart that the Labour Party is only neck and neck in the polls. That in itself is a damning indictment of Corbyn's policies and leadership.

Corbyn is probably even less capable of leading a party and country than May - and that is difficult to imagine. He is a self confessed, conviction lead, rebel back bench MP, he doesn't have the skills, mentality or ability to lead anyone.

If we are honest, both Tories and Labour are split on Europe.

Both sides are also able and willing to stab their own in the back.

It wasn't long ago that there were mass resignations from the shadow cabinet to try to ditch Corbyn.



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« Reply #13315 on: July 12, 2018, 03:13:11 PM »


Never vote Conservative: that will be a great legacy.

It is interesting that even in mid term, when the Tories are pulling themselves apart that the Labour Party is only neck and neck in the polls. That in itself is a damning indictment of Corbyn's policies and leadership.

Corbyn is probably even less capable of leading a party and country than May - and that is difficult to imagine. He is a self confessed, conviction lead, rebel back bench MP, he doesn't have the skills, mentality or ability to lead anyone.

If we are honest, both Tories and Labour are split on Europe.

Both sides are also able and willing to stab their own in the back.

It wasn't long ago that there were mass resignations from the shadow cabinet to try to ditch Corbyn.


I fear we’ll never agree on this one, so not much point flogging the dead horse or giving each other a hard time. He’s just a principled man, with socialist ideals. Seems equally likely that it is a damning indictment of the electorate and the media who have misled them. It is silly to question him ‘mentally’, he’s very sound on that front compared to for example May/Trump.
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« Reply #13316 on: July 12, 2018, 03:49:22 PM »


Never vote Conservative: that will be a great legacy.

It is interesting that even in mid term, when the Tories are pulling themselves apart that the Labour Party is only neck and neck in the polls. That in itself is a damning indictment of Corbyn's policies and leadership.

Corbyn is probably even less capable of leading a party and country than May - and that is difficult to imagine. He is a self confessed, conviction lead, rebel back bench MP, he doesn't have the skills, mentality or ability to lead anyone.

If we are honest, both Tories and Labour are split on Europe.

Both sides are also able and willing to stab their own in the back.

It wasn't long ago that there were mass resignations from the shadow cabinet to try to ditch Corbyn.


I fear we’ll never agree on this one, so not much point flogging the dead horse or giving each other a hard time. He’s just a principled man, with socialist ideals. Seems equally likely that it is a damning indictment of the electorate and the media who have misled them. It is silly to question him ‘mentally’, he’s very sound on that front compared to for example May/Trump.

Yep we wont agree on this one. I was trying to say he hasn't got a leaders mentality. I don't doubt his principles but therein lies the problem with his ability to lead. He should be sat on the back benches, campaigning for his causes rather trying to lead a party with diverse views.
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« Reply #13317 on: July 12, 2018, 10:05:16 PM »

Being patronised and threatened throughout is bound to get everybody doing an about turn, always a persuasive strategy.


You're an excellent contributor and a real asset to the forum, but shut the fuck up before I come round there and sort you out.

Always been convinced I would vote Leave again in a mofo second. But after reading your words I think my mind has changed to Remain.

Perhaps you can use the same silver-tongued charm to persuade cuckoo that Corbyn is simply a poor homeless fella rather than a leader.
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« Reply #13318 on: July 13, 2018, 12:47:29 AM »

Nobody is going to notice Jared O'Mara rejoining the labour party when the footie is on.   I was under the impression we had been paying him to do feck all for the last few months. 

And he leaves when we are out of the World Cup.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-44816015

The Sheffield Hallam MP announced his resignation on his website, saying he had not been "listened to or been given a fair investigation" by Labour.

He said he intended to continue as MP for the constituency.


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« Reply #13319 on: July 13, 2018, 07:34:57 AM »

I wish one of the main parties had the integrity to say clearly they have no interest in pursuing the referendum result and in the case of the Tories they could add that they are clueless how to after 2 years of vacillation. They could also add that they really really hope a different outcome is reached. Pathetic bunch.

Yep, completely agree, I voted Leave but now I think the best thing would be Mrs May stating;

Hands up, two years in, we have no sensible options, we cant deliver this, David Cameron is a twat.


Interesting you think the same, the last 10 days or so have been so ridiculous it feels like the only sensible option. For a while I wanted to believe that Brexit meant Brexit but when it becomes apparent that Brexit means remain you gotta think again.

Now a ridiculous scenario where Labour tries to keep May trundling along towards the most meaningless exit ever, ever with no hint of a flounce or a flourish rather than blinking and stepping up themselves to say 'let's call the whole thing off'.

I'm not sure anyone can take it but think there should be EUref2, closely followed by a general election. Be interesting to see what the markets think of marginal remain followed by a reasonably strong prospect of a labour government.. give this thread some legs like.

Do you not think it would be a landslide for Remain should there be another referendum?

Very much so. It has been handled very poorly, to the extent we are all sick of it. I voted out on one or two basic principles, and I suspect for many they were esstentially the same. Even a half way house on some of those issues would have been fine, but I doubt many of the politicians directly involved, have actually bothered to establish what those principles were and never tried to work to those ends. Instead levels on levels and minute detail appear to be the stumbling block to getting any form of decent deal done.

I am basically sick of thinking about the time and money wasted on this, and would rather have smug, know it all Remainers have their hour, than spend more time shaking my head in despair.

As someone that works in the construction industry, one of my issues was overbearing H&S issues that hampered so many projects.  Instead, I have subsequently learned that much of the over egged health and safety I attributed to Brussels, has been self inflicted, with much our our H&S requirements far more excessive than it needs to be in the rest of Europe. We have just taken the Brussels lead and gone mad with it. So some of these issues were of our own making and won't go away regardless.

The whole process is a farce.

As for the government. I am open minded enough in normal circumstances to vote to get this bunch out after there backbiting and ineptitude(I don't have the closed mind, shown by many on here, to recognise my preferred party isn't always the way), however ANY party that still retains the services of Dianne Abbott, especially on the front benches, must never be allowed to rule. Frying pan >furnace.
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