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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
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Labour - 12 (21.4%)
SNP - 2 (3.6%)
Lib Dem - 8 (14.3%)
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« Reply #14970 on: November 14, 2018, 01:47:38 PM »

"Here is a billion Pounds Arlene”

“Yeah, cheers”

“Now that’s a lot of bribe money”

“Sure is”

“All you have to do is support us on key votes and it’s yours. Do you accept?”

“sure thing Theresa”

.......

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"the DUP have made clear they are all but certain to vote it down, with the test being whether there are any new GB-NI checks at all. Parliamentary numbers for May looking very bad now."

Trying to think of worse uses of a billion quid....
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« Reply #14971 on: November 14, 2018, 01:49:26 PM »

Not sure if right area to post but I am thinking of switching my pension portfolio out of equities entirely and into cash until all of this is sorted.
I am 55 now and suddenly thinking about this sort of thing. 

get professional advice! eg any switching charges? penalties? when do you want to retire?

if you are 6 months away, ouch.
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« Reply #14972 on: November 14, 2018, 01:53:21 PM »

i have thousands of these saved up from the last few weeks, sorry

the budget, arron banks, farage, jo johnson, tracey crouch, boris


anyway this is fun

David Davis and Brexit

A Tragedy in Five Parts.

Part One

The first calling point of the UK's negotiator immediately after Brexit will not be Brussels, it will be Berlin, to strike a deal

26/5/16

Part Two

"Within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, and therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU"

David Davis, July 2016.

Part Three

"There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside."

David Davis, October 2016.

Part Four

"We can get a free trade and customs agreement concluded before March 2019."

David Davis, January 2017.

Part Five, last night

This is the moment of truth. This is the fork in the road. Do we pursue a future as an independent nation or accept EU domination, imprisonment in the customs union and 2nd class status. Cabinet and all Conservative MPs should stand up, be counted and say no to this capitulation.

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A complete and utter charlatan, making it up as he goes along.
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« Reply #14973 on: November 14, 2018, 02:45:37 PM »

i have thousands of these saved up from the last few weeks, sorry

the budget, arron banks, farage, jo johnson, tracey crouch, boris


anyway this is fun

David Davis and Brexit

A Tragedy in Five Parts.

Part One

The first calling point of the UK's negotiator immediately after Brexit will not be Brussels, it will be Berlin, to strike a deal

26/5/16

Part Two

"Within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, and therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU"

David Davis, July 2016.

Part Three

"There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside."

David Davis, October 2016.

Part Four

"We can get a free trade and customs agreement concluded before March 2019."

David Davis, January 2017.

Part Five, last night

This is the moment of truth. This is the fork in the road. Do we pursue a future as an independent nation or accept EU domination, imprisonment in the customs union and 2nd class status. Cabinet and all Conservative MPs should stand up, be counted and say no to this capitulation.

---

A complete and utter charlatan, making it up as he goes along.

Dead Ringers take on David Davis’ negotiating skills...


https://youtu.be/rRQnUIIp-HU

I know the situation isn’t really funny, but we do need to find humour where we can
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« Reply #14974 on: November 14, 2018, 02:48:46 PM »

i have thousands of these saved up from the last few weeks, sorry

the budget, arron banks, farage, jo johnson, tracey crouch, boris


anyway this is fun

David Davis and Brexit

A Tragedy in Five Parts.

Part One

The first calling point of the UK's negotiator immediately after Brexit will not be Brussels, it will be Berlin, to strike a deal

26/5/16

Part Two

"Within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, and therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU"

David Davis, July 2016.

Part Three

"There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside."

David Davis, October 2016.

Part Four

"We can get a free trade and customs agreement concluded before March 2019."

David Davis, January 2017.

Part Five, last night

This is the moment of truth. This is the fork in the road. Do we pursue a future as an independent nation or accept EU domination, imprisonment in the customs union and 2nd class status. Cabinet and all Conservative MPs should stand up, be counted and say no to this capitulation.

---

A complete and utter charlatan, making it up as he goes along.

Him, along with johnson, who were in cabinet for most of the post ref period, should come out of this so badly that they are pretty much unelectable in the future..you'd think
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« Reply #14975 on: November 14, 2018, 02:54:52 PM »

Is there a chance that some Labour MP’s might help May get the deal through Parliament?

I’m sure there were talks with some of them.

Might be a red herring?
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« Reply #14976 on: November 14, 2018, 02:58:48 PM »

i have thousands of these saved up from the last few weeks, sorry

the budget, arron banks, farage, jo johnson, tracey crouch, boris


anyway this is fun

David Davis and Brexit

A Tragedy in Five Parts.

Part One

The first calling point of the UK's negotiator immediately after Brexit will not be Brussels, it will be Berlin, to strike a deal

26/5/16

Part Two

"Within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, and therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU"

David Davis, July 2016.

Part Three

"There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside."

David Davis, October 2016.

Part Four

"We can get a free trade and customs agreement concluded before March 2019."

David Davis, January 2017.

Part Five, last night

This is the moment of truth. This is the fork in the road. Do we pursue a future as an independent nation or accept EU domination, imprisonment in the customs union and 2nd class status. Cabinet and all Conservative MPs should stand up, be counted and say no to this capitulation.

---

A complete and utter charlatan, making it up as he goes along.

Him, along with johnson, who were in cabinet for most of the post ref period, should come out of this so badly that they are pretty much unelectable in the future..you'd think


Can you imagine relying on Boris Johnson to watch your back in a tight spot?
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« Reply #14977 on: November 14, 2018, 03:05:33 PM »

Not sure if right area to post but I am thinking of switching my pension portfolio out of equities entirely and into cash until all of this is sorted.
I am 55 now and suddenly thinking about this sort of thing.  

get professional advice! eg any switching charges? penalties? when do you want to retire?

if you are 6 months away, ouch.

Presumably you aren't going to buy an annuity and your fund will remain invested and in drawdown throughout retirement?

If so by cashing out you are basically trying to time the market which isn't generally a good strategy, except when it works of course Smiley
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« Reply #14978 on: November 14, 2018, 04:52:16 PM »

Not sure if right area to post but I am thinking of switching my pension portfolio out of equities entirely and into cash until all of this is sorted.
I am 55 now and suddenly thinking about this sort of thing.  

get professional advice! eg any switching charges? penalties? when do you want to retire?

if you are 6 months away, ouch.

Presumably you aren't going to buy an annuity and your fund will remain invested and in drawdown throughout retirement?

If so by cashing out you are basically trying to time the market which isn't generally a good strategy, except when it works of course Smiley


Wise words Doubleup. Dangerous game trying to judge the short term movements of the markets. They dont always do what we expect.

And if the equities within your pension are sensibly invested you would expect a wide geographical spread, I think what happens in the US and China will be much more important than Brexit (even in the short term) given the size of their economies and influence on world markets.
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« Reply #14979 on: November 14, 2018, 04:54:20 PM »

i have thousands of these saved up from the last few weeks, sorry

the budget, arron banks, farage, jo johnson, tracey crouch, boris


anyway this is fun

David Davis and Brexit

A Tragedy in Five Parts.

Part One

The first calling point of the UK's negotiator immediately after Brexit will not be Brussels, it will be Berlin, to strike a deal

26/5/16

Part Two

"Within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, and therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU"

David Davis, July 2016.

Part Three

"There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside."

David Davis, October 2016.

Part Four

"We can get a free trade and customs agreement concluded before March 2019."

David Davis, January 2017.

Part Five, last night

This is the moment of truth. This is the fork in the road. Do we pursue a future as an independent nation or accept EU domination, imprisonment in the customs union and 2nd class status. Cabinet and all Conservative MPs should stand up, be counted and say no to this capitulation.

---

A complete and utter charlatan, making it up as he goes along.

Him, along with johnson, who were in cabinet for most of the post ref period, should come out of this so badly that they are pretty much unelectable in the future..you'd think


Can you imagine relying on Boris Johnson to watch your back in a tight spot?

I can imagine the pain of the knife in my back and being quite sure it was him who put it there.
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« Reply #14980 on: November 14, 2018, 04:54:38 PM »

Conngrats on 1000 pages of banter and debate boys and girls.   Some thread this has been over the past 3 years.  Page a day on average.
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« Reply #14981 on: November 14, 2018, 08:07:16 PM »

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/draft_withdrawal_agreement_0.pdf

Bit of light reading.

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« Reply #14982 on: November 14, 2018, 08:30:55 PM »


I’ll wait for the Readers’ Digest edition I think.
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« Reply #14983 on: November 14, 2018, 08:53:40 PM »

May has come back with inferior deal but it’s* better than no deal (for which we are not prepared), and better than a second referendum i would say which would only open new wounds.

* haven't read it so assuming no nasties

Remain isn't an option, (worse than that imo but have to be realistic, we lost the vote)

so given all that why the ideological purity from hard brexiters in parliament at this late stage? Surely they have to agree to compromise at some stage?

As it stands

My prediction:*

💥Cabinet backs deal
💥Parliament rejects deal
💥Lab calls vote of no confidence, loses
💥Markets tank
💥Gilt yields rise
💥Theresa May offers referendum on Remain/No deal

*Don't try this at home.

if that is remotely true (it may not be) then by being so inflexible the hard brexiters in parliament are increasing the likelihood of not getting it at all

Back to my hibernation.

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« Reply #14984 on: November 14, 2018, 09:12:22 PM »


550 pages.

They printed it single sided.

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