The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[TightEnd]

Looking ahead, too, pay prospects are far less rosy. Productivity, the long-term driver of pay, fell by 0.6% in the three months to June - the fourth consecutive quarter-on-quarter fall.

[ripple11]

In the event of a no-deal Brexit, Boris Johnson is reportedly planning to buy almost the entirety of Wales’s lambs

One of the oddest parts of no deal, baa none

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2019/08/disastrous-outcome-why-experts-think-food-shortages-are-coming-no-deal

Had the pleasure of a Toby Carvery the other day....

All day, everyday you can enjoy our classic Carvery Menu. Satisfy your carvery craving with tender slices of beef, pork, turkey or glazed gammon, ruffled roasties, Yorkshire puds and unlimited veg and now... we have lamb on Sunday!

Soon it will be everyday 

[aaron1867]

I wonder when and how many times will Jeremy Corbyn have to press the NC button before Halloween? By the looks of the media coverage it looks like it will have to be straight away?

Will he get it through? I think so. Just.

[BigAdz]

https://www.theconstructionindex.co.uk/news/view/balfour-beatty-beats-brexit-uncertainty

[TightEnd]

It's time for the author of the referendum to explain that respecting its outcome doesn’t have to mean disrespecting the fundamental importance of parliament, says James Kirkup

(link: https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/its-time-david-cameron-returned-to-fix-his-brexit-mess/)

[TightEnd]

The Telegraph poll yesterday claiming a majority of the public supports suspending parliament:

Worrying

The clever people at FullFact.org who are worth following analysed this, with some interesting observations on the way the question was worded, likely to have led some people into agreeing with the statement.

https://fullfact.org/europe/telegraph-suspending-parliament/

[BigAdz]

https://www.theconstructionindex.co.uk/news/view/balfour-beatty-beats-brexit-uncertainty

Sorry, should have added some commentary.

Like many foreign contractors, when things aren't going so well in their own country, BB have gone abroad to keep the good times rolling.

Unlike the wah wash, they have got off their backsides, stop moaning and got on with it. there is a big world outside the EU.....apparently.....

[MANTIS01]

It's time for the author of the referendum to explain that respecting its outcome doesn’t have to mean disrespecting the fundamental importance of parliament, says James Kirkup

(link: https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/its-time-david-cameron-returned-to-fix-his-brexit-mess/)

One man got to decide? But parliament decided they didn’t want the WA so who watches over them?

[TightEnd]

Well done to BB. Just as well they are doing well overseas. Very well established well run company

As you imply the UK Construction outlook has some problems

28% of London construction workers migrate from EU countries. migrant workers will be stripped of their right to free movement and, subsequently, their automatic right to work in the UK.

With the supply of labour likely to be unable to meet its demand, it’s very likely there will be a knock-on effect, with house builders unable to meet government housing targets. Consequently, this would see a rise in house prices and project costs.

DB&I says that almost two thirds of building materials are imported from Europe, limits on quantities of imported materials post-Brexit could be disastrous for the construction industry

The UK currently benefits from €7.8bn worth of investments in major infrastructure projects from the European Investment Bank and the European Investment Fund. In addition to this, these institutions lend over €500m to British SMEs every year.

[TightEnd]

Last month’s Chancellor of the Exchequer writing to the current PM asking him to take action to “reassure the currency markets” after recent sterling slides on rising chance of No Deal - alongside 20 other MPs, mainly former ministers.

[TightEnd]

It's time for the author of the referendum to explain that respecting its outcome doesn’t have to mean disrespecting the fundamental importance of parliament, says James Kirkup

(link: https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/its-time-david-cameron-returned-to-fix-his-brexit-mess/)

One man got to decide? But parliament decided they didn’t want the WA so who watches over them?

we get the chance at a GE to decide on who should form our parliament, at a constituency level and then in aggregate at party level

The referendum was advisory (never effectively marketed as such by the remain campaign of course, complacently), since when it has been treated as overwhelming gospel

We currently have a stand off between Parliamentary democracy and direct democracy but the former supercedes the latter.

[Pokerpops]

It's time for the author of the referendum to explain that respecting its outcome doesn’t have to mean disrespecting the fundamental importance of parliament, says James Kirkup

(link: https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/its-time-david-cameron-returned-to-fix-his-brexit-mess/)

One man got to decide? But parliament decided they didn’t want the WA so who watches over them?

we get the chance at a GE to decide on who should form our parliament, at a constituency level and then in aggregate at party level

The referendum was advisory (never effectively marketed as such by the remain campaign of course, complacently), since when it has been treated as overwhelming gospel

We currently have a stand off between Parliamentary democracy and direct democracy but the former supercedes the latter.

Surely the time for reinforcing the point that the referendum was advisory was June 2016?

It's time for the author of the referendum to explain that respecting its outcome doesn’t have to mean disrespecting the fundamental importance of parliament, says James Kirkup

(link: https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/its-time-david-cameron-returned-to-fix-his-brexit-mess/)

Maybe we can finally put this man in the stocks and throw rotten fruit at him. He was the one who really should have been ensuring that the ‘advisoriness’ of the referendum was clearly understood. Imagine the strength we would have had in going back to the EU to negotiate had that been the case.

[TightEnd]

This is good and neatly summarises the underlying debate in the September battle ahead between those who believe Parliament is the ultimate law maker and those who suggest the referendum has to be respected no matter what, even if there is no prospect of a deal

On those battles the outcome on Oct 31st depends, and no idea what will happen yet.

https://fullfact.org/europe/was-eu-referendum-advisory/

[MANTIS01]

It's time for the author of the referendum to explain that respecting its outcome doesn’t have to mean disrespecting the fundamental importance of parliament, says James Kirkup

(link: https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/its-time-david-cameron-returned-to-fix-his-brexit-mess/)

One man got to decide? But parliament decided they didn’t want the WA so who watches over them?

we get the chance at a GE to decide on who should form our parliament, at a constituency level and then in aggregate at party level

The referendum was advisory (never effectively marketed as such by the remain campaign of course, complacently), since when it has been treated as overwhelming gospel

We currently have a stand off between Parliamentary democracy and direct democracy but the former supercedes the latter.

We get a GE and elect those who profess to represent our interests

Opposition parties and all the current Brexit objectors didn’t honour their duties with their complacent, ineffectual representation pre-referendum

Then when presented with WA they once again failed to execute their duties of representation voting self interest, party interest instead

Now these same folk say it’s Boris’s Brexit and he’s failing to execute his duty to represent the interests of people and needs to be watched over.

In fact that collectively poor representation and subsequent division has ownership over Brexit imo, it is their Brexit

[TightEnd]

I don't disagree. I would have voted the WA through, and if Parliament had done so we'd be out now

the fault for that lies with the hard leavers (i would argue, primarily) and the hard remainers in parliament plus the Labour party voting not along national interest but party lines (we want an election).

we are where we are now, and i would take anything over no deal.

I would prefer to honour the referendum result and leave in an ideal world (but we are about as far from an ideal world as Ikea with kids on a sunday afternoon), but not if its no deal.

I would prefer revoke to that