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« Reply #19755 on: August 14, 2019, 12:49:14 PM »

Well done to BB. Just as well they are doing well overseas. Very well established well run company

As you imply the UK Construction outlook has some problems

28% of London construction workers migrate from EU countries. migrant workers will be stripped of their right to free movement and, subsequently, their automatic right to work in the UK.

With the supply of labour likely to be unable to meet its demand, it’s very likely there will be a knock-on effect, with house builders unable to meet government housing targets. Consequently, this would see a rise in house prices and project costs.

DB&I says that almost two thirds of building materials are imported from Europe, limits on quantities of imported materials post-Brexit could be disastrous for the construction industry

The UK currently benefits from €7.8bn worth of investments in major infrastructure projects from the European Investment Bank and the European Investment Fund. In addition to this, these institutions lend over €500m to British SMEs every year.



Well researched, however, its not always as black and white as it seems, and we are a resourceful lot.

The Aberdeen ring road, for instance was at  first to completed by using materials from abroad, but in the end, to keep costs down, local granite was used(not the usual materials used in such projects, but it was found to be an able substitute and a lot cheaper by sourcing closer to home).

I'm not sure what the saying is off the top of my head, but in hard times, solutions are found by resourceful people....we are without doubt a resourceful nation
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« Reply #19756 on: August 14, 2019, 12:54:29 PM »

Well done to BB. Just as well they are doing well overseas. Very well established well run company

As you imply the UK Construction outlook has some problems

28% of London construction workers migrate from EU countries. migrant workers will be stripped of their right to free movement and, subsequently, their automatic right to work in the UK.

With the supply of labour likely to be unable to meet its demand, it’s very likely there will be a knock-on effect, with house builders unable to meet government housing targets. Consequently, this would see a rise in house prices and project costs.

DB&I says that almost two thirds of building materials are imported from Europe, limits on quantities of imported materials post-Brexit could be disastrous for the construction industry

The UK currently benefits from €7.8bn worth of investments in major infrastructure projects from the European Investment Bank and the European Investment Fund. In addition to this, these institutions lend over €500m to British SMEs every year.



Well researched, however, its not always as black and white as it seems, and we are a resourceful lot.

The Aberdeen ring road, for instance was at  first to completed by using materials from abroad, but in the end, to keep costs down, local granite was used(not the usual materials used in such projects, but it was found to be an able substitute and a lot cheaper by sourcing closer to home).

I'm not sure what the saying is off the top of my head, but in hard times, solutions are found by resourceful people....we are without doubt a resourceful nation

Great news that BB are finding a way to continue be successful. To knowingly/willingly inflict hard times on ourselves is an extraordinary situation.
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« Reply #19757 on: August 14, 2019, 12:58:37 PM »

I don't disagree. I would have voted the WA through, and if Parliament had done so we'd be out now

the fault for that lies with the hard leavers (i would argue, primarily) and the hard remainers in parliament plus the Labour party voting not along national interest but party lines (we want an election).

we are where we are now, and i would take anything over no deal.

I would prefer to honour the referendum result and leave in an ideal world (but we are about as far from an ideal world as Ikea with kids on a sunday afternoon), but not if its no deal.

I would prefer revoke to that

For sure it’s been a frustrating process for you and fellow Remain supporters

But check out that phrase “I would take anything over no deal”

Rewind to 3yrs ago as we enter negotiations for a smooth Brexit me & fellow Leave supporters said our leverage would evaporate with the division. EU knew this. Boris playing a stone cold bluff is the only card left and still it continues. How frustrating. Now your only card is undermining democracy.
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« Reply #19758 on: August 14, 2019, 01:02:05 PM »

Well done to BB. Just as well they are doing well overseas. Very well established well run company

As you imply the UK Construction outlook has some problems

28% of London construction workers migrate from EU countries. migrant workers will be stripped of their right to free movement and, subsequently, their automatic right to work in the UK.

With the supply of labour likely to be unable to meet its demand, it’s very likely there will be a knock-on effect, with house builders unable to meet government housing targets. Consequently, this would see a rise in house prices and project costs.

DB&I says that almost two thirds of building materials are imported from Europe, limits on quantities of imported materials post-Brexit could be disastrous for the construction industry

The UK currently benefits from €7.8bn worth of investments in major infrastructure projects from the European Investment Bank and the European Investment Fund. In addition to this, these institutions lend over €500m to British SMEs every year.



Well researched, however, its not always as black and white as it seems, and we are a resourceful lot.

The Aberdeen ring road, for instance was at  first to completed by using materials from abroad, but in the end, to keep costs down, local granite was used(not the usual materials used in such projects, but it was found to be an able substitute and a lot cheaper by sourcing closer to home).

I'm not sure what the saying is off the top of my head, but in hard times, solutions are found by resourceful people....we are without doubt a resourceful nation

Great news that BB are finding a way to continue be successful. To knowingly/willingly inflict hard times on ourselves is an extraordinary situation.

Great news that EU are finding a way to continue to uphold their principles. To knowingly/willingly inflict hard times on themselves, particularly the Irish, is an extraordinary situation
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« Reply #19759 on: August 14, 2019, 01:11:57 PM »

Well done to BB. Just as well they are doing well overseas. Very well established well run company

As you imply the UK Construction outlook has some problems

28% of London construction workers migrate from EU countries. migrant workers will be stripped of their right to free movement and, subsequently, their automatic right to work in the UK.

With the supply of labour likely to be unable to meet its demand, it’s very likely there will be a knock-on effect, with house builders unable to meet government housing targets. Consequently, this would see a rise in house prices and project costs.

DB&I says that almost two thirds of building materials are imported from Europe, limits on quantities of imported materials post-Brexit could be disastrous for the construction industry

The UK currently benefits from €7.8bn worth of investments in major infrastructure projects from the European Investment Bank and the European Investment Fund. In addition to this, these institutions lend over €500m to British SMEs every year.



Well researched, however, its not always as black and white as it seems, and we are a resourceful lot.

The Aberdeen ring road, for instance was at  first to completed by using materials from abroad, but in the end, to keep costs down, local granite was used(not the usual materials used in such projects, but it was found to be an able substitute and a lot cheaper by sourcing closer to home).

I'm not sure what the saying is off the top of my head, but in hard times, solutions are found by resourceful people....we are without doubt a resourceful nation

Great news that BB are finding a way to continue be successful. To knowingly/willingly inflict hard times on ourselves is an extraordinary situation.


Your overuse of emotive words loses its impact after a while.......

Have we ever established how much money we save and can thus inwardly invest by not being in the EU? Pretty sure it must be more out than back in, or the little countries wouldn't benefit, or join?  Someone has to be the loser in all this? I suspect we are one of those....
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« Reply #19760 on: August 14, 2019, 01:17:09 PM »

I don't disagree. I would have voted the WA through, and if Parliament had done so we'd be out now

the fault for that lies with the hard leavers (i would argue, primarily) and the hard remainers in parliament plus the Labour party voting not along national interest but party lines (we want an election).

we are where we are now, and i would take anything over no deal.

I would prefer to honour the referendum result and leave in an ideal world (but we are about as far from an ideal world as Ikea with kids on a sunday afternoon), but not if its no deal.

I would prefer revoke to that

For sure it’s been a frustrating process for you and fellow Remain supporters

But check out that phrase “I would take anything over no deal”

Rewind to 3yrs ago as we enter negotiations for a smooth Brexit me & fellow Leave supporters said our leverage would evaporate with the division. EU knew this. Boris playing a stone cold bluff is the only card left and still it continues. How frustrating. Now your only card is undermining democracy.

well of course i disagree with your final paragraph

If May had set more conciliatory red lines and gone softer brexit, then many remainers would have rowed in behind for the democratic reasons you are keen on

that, and losing her majority after that horrific campaign, are larger parts of where we are now

I think preventing no deal via parliament reasserting itself is how our democracy should work. However, we won't agree on that so back to discussing the construction industry.
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« Reply #19761 on: August 14, 2019, 01:20:51 PM »

Well done to BB. Just as well they are doing well overseas. Very well established well run company

As you imply the UK Construction outlook has some problems

28% of London construction workers migrate from EU countries. migrant workers will be stripped of their right to free movement and, subsequently, their automatic right to work in the UK.

With the supply of labour likely to be unable to meet its demand, it’s very likely there will be a knock-on effect, with house builders unable to meet government housing targets. Consequently, this would see a rise in house prices and project costs.

DB&I says that almost two thirds of building materials are imported from Europe, limits on quantities of imported materials post-Brexit could be disastrous for the construction industry

The UK currently benefits from €7.8bn worth of investments in major infrastructure projects from the European Investment Bank and the European Investment Fund. In addition to this, these institutions lend over €500m to British SMEs every year.



Well researched, however, its not always as black and white as it seems, and we are a resourceful lot.

The Aberdeen ring road, for instance was at  first to completed by using materials from abroad, but in the end, to keep costs down, local granite was used(not the usual materials used in such projects, but it was found to be an able substitute and a lot cheaper by sourcing closer to home).

I'm not sure what the saying is off the top of my head, but in hard times, solutions are found by resourceful people....we are without doubt a resourceful nation

Great news that BB are finding a way to continue be successful. To knowingly/willingly inflict hard times on ourselves is an extraordinary situation.


Your overuse of emotive words loses its impact after a while.......

Have we ever established how much money we save and can thus inwardly invest by not being in the EU? Pretty sure it must be more out than back in, or the little countries wouldn't benefit, or join?  Someone has to be the loser in all this? I suspect we are one of those....


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« Reply #19762 on: August 14, 2019, 01:32:46 PM »

Well done to BB. Just as well they are doing well overseas. Very well established well run company

As you imply the UK Construction outlook has some problems

28% of London construction workers migrate from EU countries. migrant workers will be stripped of their right to free movement and, subsequently, their automatic right to work in the UK.

With the supply of labour likely to be unable to meet its demand, it’s very likely there will be a knock-on effect, with house builders unable to meet government housing targets. Consequently, this would see a rise in house prices and project costs.

DB&I says that almost two thirds of building materials are imported from Europe, limits on quantities of imported materials post-Brexit could be disastrous for the construction industry

The UK currently benefits from €7.8bn worth of investments in major infrastructure projects from the European Investment Bank and the European Investment Fund. In addition to this, these institutions lend over €500m to British SMEs every year.



Well researched, however, its not always as black and white as it seems, and we are a resourceful lot.

The Aberdeen ring road, for instance was at  first to completed by using materials from abroad, but in the end, to keep costs down, local granite was used(not the usual materials used in such projects, but it was found to be an able substitute and a lot cheaper by sourcing closer to home).

I'm not sure what the saying is off the top of my head, but in hard times, solutions are found by resourceful people....we are without doubt a resourceful nation

Great news that BB are finding a way to continue be successful. To knowingly/willingly inflict hard times on ourselves is an extraordinary situation.


Your overuse of emotive words loses its impact after a while.......

Have we ever established how much money we save and can thus inwardly invest by not being in the EU? Pretty sure it must be more out than back in, or the little countries wouldn't benefit, or join?  Someone has to be the loser in all this? I suspect we are one of those....

All scenarios say Brexit will cost the UK billions (net). There isn’t a situation before where an established modern democracy has voted to harm itself in this way. I think the use of the word extraordinary is OK when we’re talking about an event which is totally unlike anything that has ever happened before.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46370528

Really is a long read but doesn’t leave much room for doubt that the UK will be much poorer on all scenarios:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/760484/28_November_EU_Exit_-_Long-term_economic_analysis__1_.pdf

Worth noting that leaving in bad faith, no deal, with argument over the ‘divorce’ bill and attempting to screw Ireland for leverage is a long way (in a bad way) outside anything that has been projected/modelled in the economic assessments.
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« Reply #19763 on: August 14, 2019, 01:37:19 PM »


Have we ever established how much money we save and can thus inwardly invest by not being in the EU? Pretty sure it must be more out than back in, or the little countries wouldn't benefit, or join?  Someone has to be the loser in all this? I suspect we are one of those....

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

We would have saved £8.9bn in 2018.

The OBR forecast that no deal will cost around £30bn a year.

https://www.ft.com/content/641229e0-a945-11e9-984c-fac8325aaa04

So roughly £400m a week less money avaiable to inwardly invest? Maybe there was a really small minus sign on the bus?
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« Reply #19764 on: August 14, 2019, 01:40:51 PM »

Thought we harmed ourselves a lot with the Iraq war. That cost us £8b. Throw in Afghanistan and it’s £20b. £1b pffft.
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« Reply #19765 on: August 14, 2019, 02:01:56 PM »

Thought we harmed ourselves a lot with the Iraq war. That cost us £8b. Throw in Afghanistan and it’s £20b. £1b pffft.

£30 billion a year adds up to quite a bit more than £1 billion pretty quickly.
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« Reply #19766 on: August 14, 2019, 03:50:44 PM »

Thought we harmed ourselves a lot with the Iraq war. That cost us £8b. Throw in Afghanistan and it’s £20b. £1b pffft.


Probably could have saved a few bob if all our EU allies had stood with us though.....#alliesinadversity
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« Reply #19767 on: August 14, 2019, 10:04:20 PM »

Just had a quick breeze through The Telegraph & The Express and just awash with relevant/positive news that Tighty & the gang must've missed...

German GDP shrinks in 2nd quarter & heading for recession, European stocks tumble, global economic slowdown...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/08/14/markets-live-latest-news-pound-euro-ftse-100-germany-recession/

ComRes Poll shows the public support No Deal by asking the question ‘Boris needs to deliver Brexit by any means, including suspending parliament if necessary, in order to prevent MPs from stopping it’ In favour 44% Against 37% A similar poll conducted by The Express had 90% in favour

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/12/boris-johnson-has-publics-support-shut-parliament-get-brexit/

EU waking up to the fact that they're going to lose UK to new US market for half a century thanks to their disciplinary approach

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/08/14/europe-risks-losing-uk-americans-half-century-unless-changes/

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1165365/brexit-no-deal-donald-trump-european-union-fear

Amber Rudd talks about the UK jobs boom and the readiness of our economy to face global challenges

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/13/jobs-boom-means-british-economy-ready-anything/

No Deal Brexit would provide the perfect opportunity to buy a house

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/personal-banking/mortgages/no-deal-brexit-will-affect-uk-house-prices-could-create-perfect/
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« Reply #19768 on: August 14, 2019, 11:19:12 PM »

Saw a poll on Twitter about support for No Deal and it got 90k votes at the last look. 13% support No Deal.
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« Reply #19769 on: August 14, 2019, 11:31:38 PM »

Just catching up on the news and if there is anything that is going to put people off voting against the government in a NC vote, it is most definitely the worry of Jeremy Corbyn being in charge. So what does he do? Announces he wants to be leader of a "caretaker government". That isn't going to help.

Seeing Boris's reaction today, it's clear the push to block no deal or call a NC has rattled him.

Call a NC > Boris loses it > Extend A50 > General Election

You've genuinely got to worry for the safety of these politicians if it doesn't get sorted anytime soon.
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