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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
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« Reply #21600 on: October 20, 2019, 04:36:34 PM »

Remain
Leave -> Deal
Leave -> No Deal

If between them leave has >50% then the higher of the two options wins.

Although I don't see how no deal can be responsibly be put on the ballot.
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« Reply #21601 on: October 20, 2019, 06:14:00 PM »

I do like the idea of a Referendum World Cup - could be like Eurovision where the semi finals are on Tues/Thur with the final on Saturday.
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« Reply #21602 on: October 20, 2019, 06:57:30 PM »

Just watched some of news.

Comment made that Bercow may not even allow a vote tomorrow.

He has already pushed impartiality to its limits.

If this were the case and the Speaker denies the vote, he will have become overtly political.

Given it appears Johnson has the numbers, the attempts by any means to stop him are becoming more and more extreme. Total joke.
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« Reply #21603 on: October 20, 2019, 07:08:40 PM »

Just watched some of news.

Comment made that Bercow may not even allow a vote tomorrow.

He has already pushed impartiality to its limits.

If this were the case and the Speaker denies the vote, he will have become overtly political.

Given it appears Johnson has the numbers, the attempts by any means to stop him are becoming more and more extreme. Total joke.

I don’t think is about being impartial, I’d say it was more due to parliamentary procedure. I wouldn’t be confident of the numbers either, going to be super close, but there was a switcher from the deal to going against today
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« Reply #21604 on: October 20, 2019, 07:12:44 PM »

Just watched some of news.

Comment made that Bercow may not even allow a vote tomorrow.

He has already pushed impartiality to its limits.

If this were the case and the Speaker denies the vote, he will have become overtly political.

Given it appears Johnson has the numbers, the attempts by any means to stop him are becoming more and more extreme. Total joke.

I don’t think is about being impartial, I’d say it was more due to parliamentary procedure. I wouldn’t be confident of the numbers either, going to be super close, but there was a switcher from the deal to going against today

He may use his interpretation of Parliamentary procedure to suit his strong remain views.

Not really on is it?
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« Reply #21605 on: October 20, 2019, 07:15:15 PM »

Just watched some of news.

Comment made that Bercow may not even allow a vote tomorrow.

He has already pushed impartiality to its limits.

If this were the case and the Speaker denies the vote, he will have become overtly political.

Given it appears Johnson has the numbers, the attempts by any means to stop him are becoming more and more extreme. Total joke.

I don’t think is about being impartial, I’d say it was more due to parliamentary procedure. I wouldn’t be confident of the numbers either, going to be super close, but there was a switcher from the deal to going against today

Could you explain the bolded part for us Aaron? Maybe cite this parliamentary procedure you are referring to.
Explain it in simple terms for me though, because I am one of those less educated folks who voted Leave.


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« Reply #21606 on: October 20, 2019, 07:23:26 PM »

Just watched some of news.

Comment made that Bercow may not even allow a vote tomorrow.

He has already pushed impartiality to its limits.

If this were the case and the Speaker denies the vote, he will have become overtly political.

Given it appears Johnson has the numbers, the attempts by any means to stop him are becoming more and more extreme. Total joke.

I don’t think is about being impartial, I’d say it was more due to parliamentary procedure. I wouldn’t be confident of the numbers either, going to be super close, but there was a switcher from the deal to going against today

He may use his interpretation of Parliamentary procedure to suit his strong remain views.

Not really on is it?

I don’t know what to think of it really. You can understand it, but also ask how on earth can we go foward?
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« Reply #21607 on: October 20, 2019, 07:23:58 PM »

Sunday Times reporting extension agreed until February.
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« Reply #21608 on: October 20, 2019, 09:14:30 PM »

Just watched some of news.

Comment made that Bercow may not even allow a vote tomorrow.

He has already pushed impartiality to its limits.

If this were the case and the Speaker denies the vote, he will have become overtly political.

Given it appears Johnson has the numbers, the attempts by any means to stop him are becoming more and more extreme. Total joke.

I don’t think is about being impartial, I’d say it was more due to parliamentary procedure. I wouldn’t be confident of the numbers either, going to be super close, but there was a switcher from the deal to going against today

Could you explain the bolded part for us Aaron? Maybe cite this parliamentary procedure you are referring to.
Explain it in simple terms for me though, because I am one of those less educated folks who voted Leave.


After  Letwin went through the government chose not to push the MV. I'm reading that was a mistake and they should have done.
Bercow likely to  rule out of order tomorrow as MV (i) same issue twice (ii) contradicts Letwin amendment which says Brexit related legislation must be agreed first i.e the actual withdrawal agreement and the procedures relating to that.

Doesn't suit Boris but of course the media line will be that he is being denied again and Bercow is a **** blah blah.  All good for Conservative votes when we finally get to GE.



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« Reply #21609 on: October 20, 2019, 09:15:32 PM »

Sunday Times reporting extension agreed until February.

Conjecture only and then only if he doesn't get the deal through this week.
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« Reply #21610 on: October 20, 2019, 09:24:30 PM »

Just watched some of news.

Comment made that Bercow may not even allow a vote tomorrow.

He has already pushed impartiality to its limits.

If this were the case and the Speaker denies the vote, he will have become overtly political.

Given it appears Johnson has the numbers, the attempts by any means to stop him are becoming more and more extreme. Total joke.

I don’t think is about being impartial, I’d say it was more due to parliamentary procedure. I wouldn’t be confident of the numbers either, going to be super close, but there was a switcher from the deal to going against today

Could you explain the bolded part for us Aaron? Maybe cite this parliamentary procedure you are referring to.
Explain it in simple terms for me though, because I am one of those less educated folks who voted Leave.


After  Letwin went through the government chose not to push the MV. I'm reading that was a mistake and they should have done.
Bercow likely to  rule out of order tomorrow as MV (i) same issue twice (ii) contradicts Letwin amendment which says Brexit related legislation must be agreed first i.e the actual withdrawal agreement and the procedures relating to that.

Doesn't suit Boris but of course the media line will be that he is being denied again and Bercow is a **** blah blah.  All good for Conservative votes when we finally get to GE.


Disagree, Brexit party will still be live, stripping tories of votes in marginal constituencies- result hung parliament, back round the circle we go.
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« Reply #21611 on: October 20, 2019, 09:47:11 PM »

Just watched some of news.

Comment made that Bercow may not even allow a vote tomorrow.

He has already pushed impartiality to its limits.

If this were the case and the Speaker denies the vote, he will have become overtly political.

Given it appears Johnson has the numbers, the attempts by any means to stop him are becoming more and more extreme. Total joke.

I don’t think is about being impartial, I’d say it was more due to parliamentary procedure. I wouldn’t be confident of the numbers either, going to be super close, but there was a switcher from the deal to going against today

Could you explain the bolded part for us Aaron? Maybe cite this parliamentary procedure you are referring to.
Explain it in simple terms for me though, because I am one of those less educated folks who voted Leave.


After  Letwin went through the government chose not to push the MV. I'm reading that was a mistake and they should have done.
Bercow likely to  rule out of order tomorrow as MV (i) same issue twice (ii) contradicts Letwin amendment which says Brexit related legislation must be agreed first i.e the actual withdrawal agreement and the procedures relating to that.

Doesn't suit Boris but of course the media line will be that he is being denied again and Bercow is a **** blah blah.  All good for Conservative votes when we finally get to GE.


Disagree, Brexit party will still be live, stripping tories of votes in marginal constituencies- result hung parliament, back round the circle we go.

I understand the point but if it goes to an election during an extension he is fighting an election without the No Deal option but  still on the hardest of Brexit deals. Complicated.
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« Reply #21612 on: October 20, 2019, 10:36:02 PM »

Just watched some of news.

Comment made that Bercow may not even allow a vote tomorrow.

He has already pushed impartiality to its limits.

If this were the case and the Speaker denies the vote, he will have become overtly political.

Given it appears Johnson has the numbers, the attempts by any means to stop him are becoming more and more extreme. Total joke.

I don’t think is about being impartial, I’d say it was more due to parliamentary procedure. I wouldn’t be confident of the numbers either, going to be super close, but there was a switcher from the deal to going against today

Could you explain the bolded part for us Aaron? Maybe cite this parliamentary procedure you are referring to.
Explain it in simple terms for me though, because I am one of those less educated folks who voted Leave.


After  Letwin went through the government chose not to push the MV. I'm reading that was a mistake and they should have done.
Bercow likely to  rule out of order tomorrow as MV (i) same issue twice (ii) contradicts Letwin amendment which says Brexit related legislation must be agreed first i.e the actual withdrawal agreement and the procedures relating to that.

Doesn't suit Boris but of course the media line will be that he is being denied again and Bercow is a **** blah blah.  All good for Conservative votes when we finally get to GE.





Very good thread explaining this further from Lewis Goodall.

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1185989844281020418?s=09
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« Reply #21613 on: October 21, 2019, 07:39:45 AM »

However it’s dressed up, the Speaker effectively denying a vote on the deal in Parliament is a really worrying move.

Public confidence in the integrity in Parliament will sink even lower.

If I were Johnson, I’d call a press conference outside the front of number 10 and address the public directly.

Whilst every trick in the book is being played to frustrate progress in the short term, it will keep adding to his GE appeal.

The public are already fed up - the idea that Parliament won’t even vote on the deal will go down like a lead balloon with Joe Public. Bercow will be making a big mistake.
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« Reply #21614 on: October 21, 2019, 08:19:27 AM »

You're fundamentally missing the point: they already voted on it on Saturday.

Parliament agreed to only hold the MV after the WAB legislation has been scrutinized and passed.

That isn't dressing things up and isn't any sort of agenda by the speaker. It's simply the facts of the situation.
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