paddy power and Betfair to merge

[BorntoBubble]

Oh come on, seriously.

Jez why do you come across as very arsey about this subject?  Pretty sure it isn't just me thinking this?

I agree my replys have been a bit curt and limited to facts and could be interpreted as being "arsey".  I do not ever want to offend anyone but beyond that I don't really care if you listen to me or not that is up to you.  Anyone who knows me knows I am legit as a professional gambler of 20 years and I am only interested in facts.  Arbboy I respect you very much but I think it is hypocritical of you to pull me up for being arsey when you have made many valid and correct points on this board previously in an "arsey" way. 

The only difference as Camel pointed out is your ability to still do your brains on casino games if the account isn't fully closed.

You see here lies a problem (as it always does with gambling).  The post you cite as fact is in fact incorrect.  Is is not the only difference.  I am not expanding.  You can choose to believe me or not.

If you only bet sports strictly then being restricted to £2 bets is effectively having your account closed.  Maybe you could explain why you don't agree with this and explain what the 'literal massive difference' is iyo?

It is not effectively having your account closed. For one the difference is a factor of infinity in terms of bet size allowed.  For two being banned from somewhere and being allowed in somewhere is about as big a difference literally as you can get.  The "literal" thing is an argument over the definition of the word and I stand by my statement.

please expand. genuinely interested and i might learn something

+1

[SuperJez]

Do you really think the only  thing you can do on an average bookmaker site after getting severely limited is lose money in their casino when drunk?

I already said I am not expanding but really, it does not take more than half a brain to think of other things you can partake in.

[Tal]

Ok so we are all complete idiots and have no idea about anything to do with betting. Now we have admitted that, would you tell us, please?

Is it helps, I still have a Stan James account,  so I clearly genuinely do have no clue...

[The Camel]

Ok so we are all complete idiots and have no idea about anything to do with betting. Now we have admitted that, would you tell us, please?

Is it helps, I still have a Stan James account,  so I clearly genuinely do have no clue...

Pretty please.

[arbboy]

Oh come on, seriously.

Jez why do you come across as very arsey about this subject?  Pretty sure it isn't just me thinking this?

I agree my replys have been a bit curt and limited to facts and could be interpreted as being "arsey".  I do not ever want to offend anyone but beyond that I don't really care if you listen to me or not that is up to you.  Anyone who knows me knows I am legit as a professional gambler of 20 years and I am only interested in facts.  Arbboy I respect you very much but I think it is hypocritical of you to pull me up for being arsey when you have made many valid and correct points on this board previously in an "arsey" way.  

The only difference as Camel pointed out is your ability to still do your brains on casino games if the account isn't fully closed.

You see here lies a problem (as it always does with gambling).  The post you cite as fact is in fact incorrect.  Is is not the only difference.  I am not expanding.  You can choose to believe me or not.

If you only bet sports strictly then being restricted to £2 bets is effectively having your account closed.  Maybe you could explain why you don't agree with this and explain what the 'literal massive difference' is iyo?

It is not effectively having your account closed. For one the difference is a factor of infinity in terms of bet size allowed.  For two being banned from somewhere and being allowed in somewhere is about as big a difference literally as you can get.  The "literal" thing is an argument over the definition of the word and I stand by my statement.

Ok so I have a totesoort account limited to pennies since 2006. I haven't logged into it since because there is no point? This is the same for the hundreds of other accounts which have been limited to pennies. What is the difference with this account being closed and limited to pennies? Please explain.  I give away a lot of information for free on blonde and it would be nice to get something back once in a while.

Pretty sure you won't be giving away any undercover secrets telling us. This Fred and forum is about sharing information.  As a twenty year pro gambler I imagine you have taking plenty,  maybe it's time to give a little bit back.  That's how it works otherwise the Eco system dies long term as the givers stop giving as we have seen over the past year or so.

[rfgqqabc]

I don't get it either. I can't bet with PP and just faced an hour long debacle to withdraw, due to a rather bizarre restriction that means I couldn't change my card details as my balance was over £200. I couldn't add a withdrawal method, so I had to waste an hour of my life talking this through with support. At first I had to email off with a scan of my bank statement and by the end of the discussion, he had accepted my screenshot of my online banking and even took the liberty of telling me I needed to tell him my banks address too. I can only hope they have to pay a charge!

My PP account is limited to maybe £5 everywhere. I can perhaps bet a little bigger on main stay premier league games, or something of that nature, but I very rarely do so with a bookmaker, as they are never best price. I can only presume the above hassle with banking is some sort of ploy to get people to gamble. That is the only possible explanation I can see. This would back up the general sentiment in the thread that they only keep the accounts open in the hope that people will punt it off in the casino. I also argee with the sentiment that being limited to winning a fiver is effectively closing my account. It ofc isn't literal, but I can't even remember the last time I tried to get a bet on with them, as I know I won't be laid more than 2% of what I want.

[mulhuzz]

That's not making people gamble Adam, that's just solid anti-fraud and solid AML practice. That would be the same rule if you had a clean account.

[DungBeetle]

Do you really think the only  thing you can do on an average bookmaker site after getting severely limited is lose money in their casino when drunk?

I already said I am not expanding but really, it does not take more than half a brain to think of other things you can partake in.

A) Can still log in to B365 and watch the Lithuanian football stream
B) Can still log into the betfair forum and row with lefties in the politics section

Anything else?

[Doobs]

Do you really think the only  thing you can do on an average bookmaker site after getting severely limited is lose money in their casino when drunk?

I already said I am not expanding but really, it does not take more than half a brain to think of other things you can partake in.

A) Can still log in to B365 and watch the Lithuanian football stream
B) Can still log into the betfair forum and row with lefties in the politics section

Anything else?

Can still use sportinglife.com to watch previous races. 

Jez very correct

[rfgqqabc]

That's not making people gamble Adam, that's just solid anti-fraud and solid AML practice. That would be the same rule if you had a clean account.

Why do no other bookmakers have these rules regarding balance? I know it is fairly common practice to have to message support to change card details, but I don't understand the rules regarding balance at all. I'd also need a lot of persuasion that these rules need to be applied for a card that has an expiry date a year ago.

Whats AML (anti-money laundering)? I do get the bank address thing, I know I needed it for an international transfer once, but it simply should have been included in the initial list of things I needed to send them. It also irked me the support guy couldn't handle the issue and told me to email in until I asked further questions and at that point he suddenly found the ability to do it himself. I also don't get why they wouldn't allow paypal to be used for the withdrawal.

[Gazza]

I'm guessing he means you can still play poker if your account is restricted, otherwise I'm confused too.

[Chompy]

Do you really think the only  thing you can do on an average bookmaker site after getting severely limited is lose money in their casino when drunk?

I already said I am not expanding but really, it does not take more than half a brain to think of other things you can partake in.

You seem to be the only one with more than half a brain then, coz I literally have no idea what you're on about either.

There is literally no difference between being restricted to pence and being shut down.

The only thing you're able to partake in is to come on to forums and shoot folk down by literally claiming to know something that nobody else does.

[AlunB]

I'm guessing he means you can still play poker if your account is restricted, otherwise I'm confused too.

He may mean accas

[BorntoBubble]

Hey Jez, get yourself back over here!

[The Camel]

Jez is the best troll account since BigAdz flounced off.