Noisy Neighbours - the Man City thread

[Doobs]

Swindon Town were relegated from the old First Division for "financial irregularities" which barely register on the scale compared to City's.

I'm guessing the Premier League will take a more lenient view.

So an allegation of breaching the financial fair play rules is higher up than multiple convictions for defrauding the Inland Revenue in a court of law and betting against their own side?  Interesting scale you have. 

I'm guessing the Premier League's scale is more accurate.

Even if the standard of proof for appearing in a newspaper article was the same as that applied to finding a guilty verdict in a Court of Law, I am still not putting breaching FFP rules higher up the scale. 

I'm sure those betting offences weren't club policy and the people guilty of that were dealt with completely seperately.

The charges which resulted in a double relegation(single after appeal) were those of secretly paying their players more than was on the books.

Do you honestly think that the financial doping in this case is not on a far greater scale?

It was the club chairman and accountant, so claiming it was not club policy at the time seems a stretch. 

Changing the argument to one of scale seems disingenuous too.

I put fraud convictions above breaching financial fair play rules.  The latter is something I really barely care about.   I'd happily take an owner spewing way too much money on my football club over the oafs we have.  Other people may feel differently.

Labelling it "fraud" seems disingenuous to me too - they paid their players extra money in ready cash and incurred the wrath of the IRS - it's hardly Bernie Madoff.

Isn't inflating the amount of money paid my your sponsors by tens of £M considerably more fraudulent?

They were found guilty of fraud ffs.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/football-club-chairman-in-tax-case-jailed-1536652.html%3famp

Nicking a £100 poker chip off a mate is still theft even if you aren't Ronnie Biggs.

[Archer]

"Project Longbow" - Der Spiegel's second chapter about Manchester City and their "shady business."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/manchester-city-and-the-fight-against-financial-fairplay-a-1236347.html#ref=rss

cliffs

New leak: how Man City set up separate company to pay players' image rights, and then sent money from that company from Abu Dhabi to cover those payments. Took £30m off the wage bill.

No new information in there really. PwC on behalf of UEFA  were explicitly aware of Fordham for example and the image rights issue has long since been in the public domain.

[Archer]

Swindon Town were relegated from the old First Division for "financial irregularities" which barely register on the scale compared to City's.

I'm guessing the Premier League will take a more lenient view.

So an allegation of breaching the financial fair play rules is higher up than multiple convictions for defrauding the Inland Revenue in a court of law and betting against their own side?  Interesting scale you have.  

I'm guessing the Premier League's scale is more accurate.

Even if the standard of proof for appearing in a newspaper article was the same as that applied to finding a guilty verdict in a Court of Law, I am still not putting breaching FFP rules higher up the scale.  

I'm sure those betting offences weren't club policy and the people guilty of that were dealt with completely seperately.

The charges which resulted in a double relegation(single after appeal) were those of secretly paying their players more than was on the books.

Do you honestly think that the financial doping in this case is not on a far greater scale?

It was the club chairman and accountant, so claiming it was not club policy at the time seems a stretch.  

Changing the argument to one of scale seems disingenuous too.

I put fraud convictions above breaching financial fair play rules.  The latter is something I really barely care about.   I'd happily take an owner spewing way too much money on my football club over the oafs we have.  Other people may feel differently.

Labelling it "fraud" seems disingenuous to me too - they paid their players extra money in ready cash and incurred the wrath of the IRS - it's hardly Bernie Madoff.

Isn't inflating the amount of money paid my your sponsors by tens of £M considerably more fraudulent?

Where's the fraud Ralph? And what is it?

Looking at the sponsorship and specifically Etihad who today said: "The airline’s financial obligations, associated with the partnership of the club and the broader City Football Group, have always been, and remain, the sole liability and responsibility of Etihad Airways. This is reflected in the airline’s audited accounts."

Then there are City's accounts that have been audited as well. Then PWC scrutinised the accounts. City had broken FFP rules and were sanctioned.

So I ask again, where is the fraud?

Of course, there is more to come out yet and fraud might raise its ugly head then. But not based on anything so far.

[Karabiner]

Swindon Town were relegated from the old First Division for "financial irregularities" which barely register on the scale compared to City's.

I'm guessing the Premier League will take a more lenient view.

So an allegation of breaching the financial fair play rules is higher up than multiple convictions for defrauding the Inland Revenue in a court of law and betting against their own side?  Interesting scale you have.  

I'm guessing the Premier League's scale is more accurate.

Even if the standard of proof for appearing in a newspaper article was the same as that applied to finding a guilty verdict in a Court of Law, I am still not putting breaching FFP rules higher up the scale.  

I'm sure those betting offences weren't club policy and the people guilty of that were dealt with completely seperately.

The charges which resulted in a double relegation(single after appeal) were those of secretly paying their players more than was on the books.

Do you honestly think that the financial doping in this case is not on a far greater scale?

It was the club chairman and accountant, so claiming it was not club policy at the time seems a stretch.  

Changing the argument to one of scale seems disingenuous too.

I put fraud convictions above breaching financial fair play rules.  The latter is something I really barely care about.   I'd happily take an owner spewing way too much money on my football club over the oafs we have.  Other people may feel differently.

Labelling it "fraud" seems disingenuous to me too - they paid their players extra money in ready cash and incurred the wrath of the IRS - it's hardly Bernie Madoff.

Isn't inflating the amount of money paid my your sponsors by tens of £M considerably more fraudulent?

Where's the fraud Ralph? And what is it?

Looking at the sponsorship and specifically Etihad who today said: "The airline’s financial obligations, associated with the partnership of the club and the broader City Football Group, have always been, and remain, the sole liability and responsibility of Etihad Airways. This is reflected in the airline’s audited accounts."

Then there are City's accounts that have been audited as well. Then PWC scrutinised the accounts. City had broken FFP rules and were sanctioned.

So I ask again, where is the fraud?

Of course, there is more to come out yet and fraud might raise its ugly head then. But not based on anything so far.

I like City and the way that they play, but there's no denying what they've done to falsely inflate the sponsorship deals and keep £30M of image-rights off the wage-bill.

In my eyes that is just as fraudulent as paying players half their wages cash-in-hand - whether it is technically fraud by the letter of the law or not.

It's not much different to Amazon and various billionaires paying only a tiny amount of tax imo, as if you have enough money you can virtually get away with anything.

[TightEnd]

A La Liga chief has accused Man City and PSG of cheating and says both clubs should be punished https://bbc.in/2PMbdWQ

[TightEnd]

FFP might favour old money but Man City can't play by their own private rules, writes Paul Hayward

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/11/06/ffp-might-favour-old-money-man-city-cant-play-private-rules/

[hhyftrftdr]

A La Liga chief has accused Man City and PSG of cheating and says both clubs should be punished https://bbc.in/2PMbdWQ

Think we can take any opinion from La Liga with a bag of salt.

[tikay]

Was that the most bizarre penalty ever ever ever?

[hhyftrftdr]

Was that the most bizarre penalty ever ever ever?

Dirty tackle, Sterling lucky he could still play on.

[Tal]

Views on whether they should have scored the pen?

Clearly accidental - not a dive - so everyone except the 6 officials knew it wasn't a pen.

Miss on purpose to restore order?

[tikay]

Views on whether they should have scored the pen?

Clearly accidental - not a dive - so everyone except the 6 officials knew it wasn't a pen.

Miss on purpose to restore order?

Would have been great to see him gently tap it to the 'keeper, but in this day and age, ain't gonna happen, is it?

[hhyftrftdr]

Views on whether they should have scored the pen?

Clearly accidental - not a dive - so everyone except the 6 officials knew it wasn't a pen.

Miss on purpose to restore order?

Nah.

Ref has given it so crack on.

[Pokerpops]

Views on whether they should have scored the pen?

Clearly accidental - not a dive - so everyone except the 6 officials knew it wasn't a pen.

Miss on purpose to restore order?

The Corinthians would have missed.

The club was famed for its ethos of "sportsmanship, fair play, [and] playing for the love of the game".[4]. 'Corinthian Spirit, still understood as the highest standard of sportsmanship, is often associated with the side. This spirit was famously summed up in their attitude to penalties; "As far as they were concerned, a gentleman would never commit a deliberate foul on an opponent. So, if a penalty was awarded against the Corinthians, their goalkeeper would stand aside, lean languidly on the goalpost and watch the ball being kicked into his own net. If the Corinthians themselves won a penalty, their captain took a short run-up and gave the ball a jolly good whack, chipping it over the crossbar.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corinthian_F.C.

[tikay]

For those that never saw that penalty, here, enjoy;

[BigAdz]

And we have backed him for top goalscorer?.........