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« Reply #2055 on: October 23, 2018, 06:24:16 PM »

Pokerpops asks on the United thread:

Should probably have this conversation over at yours, but what are your expectations this season?
Champions - obviously
Champions League - Win? Would beaten finalist be good? Semi?
Othker cups?



Champions - price now 1.57.  Hmm, I fluctuate on this but today I think that should be about 1.35 - expectations very high because feel  we are stronger than last year when we were quite good. League is more important than the CL.

Champions League - anyone from 8 teams could win it. City marginal favourites with Barcelona and Juventus. Not much of a gap to the other 5. The stated objective of the club is to regularly feature at the business end of the tournament i.e semi finals or beyond - my expectation is that it will end in disappointment again albeit very encouraged with the approach at the recent Anfield game

Other cups? Possibly, league cup theoretically easier because 2 big 6 clubs already out, but we got to the final last year almost by accident with the benefit of 2 penalty shoot outs.
FA Cup so difficult with the schedule if competing in both PL and CL


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« Reply #2056 on: October 24, 2018, 12:26:54 AM »

Devastating performance to win the game in the 1st half tonight. Up there with, if not better,  than the best of last season.
At the heart of it David Silva doing his Benjamin Button impression. Running the show and more dynamic,  aggressive, hard as nails and as quick thinking and skillful as ever. Silva on fire is one of the great joys of football.
I watched and loved Ozil's performance last night but he can't touch Silva for an all round game imo.

In control of the group now which is important for a better chance of an easier R16 game.

It's good to gush Smiley


EDIT... A happy Pep:
“It’s in our hands,” said Guardiola who, not surprisingly, struggled to stop smiling. “The first half was the best we’ve played in the past few seasons, we were outstanding. We were under pressure after losing the first game to Lyon but now we can control our destiny. It was so important to get this win here. To score three goals against Shakhtar here is amazing, an incredible result.”
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« Reply #2057 on: October 24, 2018, 12:52:10 AM »

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11532607/hugo-lloris-or-ederson-which-goalkeeper-would-you-want-in-your-side

Gotta love these utterly pointless articles they trot out.

Merson; ''I'm not a great believer in goalkeepers being good on the ball but Ederson is a classy operator''

He probably still thinks its fine for a player to neck 4 pints of Stella before kicking off.

I digress. Excellent tonight. How Pep is getting another level out of the likes of Stones and Silva is just incredible. Tough game on Monday but after we've been fucked about by Spurs with their new stadium, it would be karma if we went and stuck 5 past them at their temporary home.
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« Reply #2058 on: November 02, 2018, 07:50:31 PM »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6346287/Raheem-Sterling-arrives-Manchester-City-training-Fully-Paid-hat.html

Really hope this is some excellent trolling towards the media from Raheem. I knew the shitrag Mail would find some 'story' to go alongside his proposed new contract. Great news that it's almost signed; it would cost a fortune to replace him and the signs are there that he could be even better this season. He has the potential to go right to the very top.

Sad news on KDB though. We've coped well without him so far, but the games come thick and fast soon and he will be off the pace again when he returns. Playing the 2 Silvas in front of Fernandinho isn't too shabby though Smiley Football porn with them two in tandem.
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« Reply #2059 on: November 04, 2018, 11:08:05 AM »

not posting to have a go, but its newsworthy and haven't seen it mentioned

Five years ago, UEFA introduced Financial Fair Play, a set of rules designed to level the economic playing field in European football. But during his tenure as UEFA general secretary, Gianni Infantino went out of his way to ensure that Manchester City and Paris Saint-Germain avoided harsh punishment.


http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/financial-fair-play-manchester-city-and-psg-pact-with-the-sheikhs-a-1236414.html
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« Reply #2060 on: November 04, 2018, 12:15:22 PM »

not posting to have a go, but its newsworthy and haven't seen it mentioned

Five years ago, UEFA introduced Financial Fair Play, a set of rules designed to level the economic playing field in European football. But during his tenure as UEFA general secretary, Gianni Infantino went out of his way to ensure that Manchester City and Paris Saint-Germain avoided harsh punishment.


http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/financial-fair-play-manchester-city-and-psg-pact-with-the-sheikhs-a-1236414.html

UK media seem to be mainly steering clear at the moment. Maybe for legal reasons.

From that link:
"There were many good reasons for FFP's introduction. One of the most persuasive was the need to protect the European club tournaments from the vast amounts of money flooding into the football market as oligarchs from Russia, billionaires from the United States and sheikhs from the Arab world invested in clubs across the continent. Tradition-rich clubs that didn't want to sell no longer stood much of a chance against the nouveau riche and their financial doping.

Hmm, if you read around DeSpiegel's pejorative language, the reality is that City seem to have felt they had a strong legal and accounting defence, disagreed with PwC's report, were prepared to litigate and ultimately agreed a negotiated settlement. All normal commercial behaviour.

Important to point out that agreeing the settlement was part of the FFP sanction process.  Infantino in between a rock and a hard place and UEFA screwed if City go legal...1) the original talks about FFP had no limitations against owner investment. The old G14 clubs, endeavoring to protect their own commercial interests, exerted pressure on UEFA to frame the rules to slow City, PSG  and indeed any other future club fortunate enough to benefit from large owner investment. Cartel behaviour etc.   How can it be right that football prohibits owner investment in a company? 2) City were furious about a "rule change" by UEFA after 1 set of accounts had been submitted. I can't remember the exact  figure but something like £75million of loss due wages on players signed before a certain date was supposed to be exempt and then included.

Now City have joined the other side and are one of the 5 English clubs of the "founder member" in the Euro Super league reveal from football leaks. That one sucks IMO.
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« Reply #2061 on: November 04, 2018, 04:30:06 PM »

I mean, this is just cruel :-(
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« Reply #2062 on: November 04, 2018, 08:00:37 PM »

I mean, this is just cruel :-(

Some positives for you.

First 10 games of the season City restricted opponents to a total of 17 shots on target. Today Southampton had 6 on target in just the 1 game!

The xG on infogol finished 2.71 -2.34.  At 5-1 with about 15 mins to go the xG messed with my stats induced  OCD - when it was something like 2.1- 2.2 Smiley

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« Reply #2063 on: November 06, 2018, 11:42:53 AM »

"Project Longbow" - Der Spiegel's second chapter about Manchester City and their "shady business."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/manchester-city-and-the-fight-against-financial-fairplay-a-1236347.html#ref=rss

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New leak: how Man City set up separate company to pay players' image rights, and then sent money from that company from Abu Dhabi to cover those payments. Took £30m off the wage bill.
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« Reply #2064 on: November 06, 2018, 03:03:20 PM »

Swindon Town were relegated from the old First Division for "financial irregularities" which barely register on the scale compared to City's.

I'm guessing the Premier League will take a more lenient view.
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« Reply #2065 on: November 06, 2018, 04:06:44 PM »

Swindon Town were relegated from the old First Division for "financial irregularities" which barely register on the scale compared to City's.

I'm guessing the Premier League will take a more lenient view.

So an allegation of breaching the financial fair play rules is higher up than multiple convictions for defrauding the Inland Revenue in a court of law and betting against their own side?  Interesting scale you have. 

I'm guessing the Premier League's scale is more accurate.

Even if the standard of proof for appearing in a newspaper article was the same as that applied to finding a guilty verdict in a Court of Law, I am still not putting breaching FFP rules higher up the scale. 
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« Reply #2066 on: November 06, 2018, 06:15:43 PM »

Swindon Town were relegated from the old First Division for "financial irregularities" which barely register on the scale compared to City's.

I'm guessing the Premier League will take a more lenient view.

So an allegation of breaching the financial fair play rules is higher up than multiple convictions for defrauding the Inland Revenue in a court of law and betting against their own side?  Interesting scale you have. 

I'm guessing the Premier League's scale is more accurate.

Even if the standard of proof for appearing in a newspaper article was the same as that applied to finding a guilty verdict in a Court of Law, I am still not putting breaching FFP rules higher up the scale. 


I'm sure those betting offences weren't club policy and the people guilty of that were dealt with completely seperately.

The charges which resulted in a double relegation(single after appeal) were those of secretly paying their players more than was on the books.

Do you honestly think that the financial doping in this case is not on a far greater scale?
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« Reply #2067 on: November 06, 2018, 06:53:51 PM »

Swindon Town were relegated from the old First Division for "financial irregularities" which barely register on the scale compared to City's.

I'm guessing the Premier League will take a more lenient view.

So an allegation of breaching the financial fair play rules is higher up than multiple convictions for defrauding the Inland Revenue in a court of law and betting against their own side?  Interesting scale you have. 

I'm guessing the Premier League's scale is more accurate.

Even if the standard of proof for appearing in a newspaper article was the same as that applied to finding a guilty verdict in a Court of Law, I am still not putting breaching FFP rules higher up the scale. 


I'm sure those betting offences weren't club policy and the people guilty of that were dealt with completely seperately.

The charges which resulted in a double relegation(single after appeal) were those of secretly paying their players more than was on the books.

Do you honestly think that the financial doping in this case is not on a far greater scale?

It was the club chairman and accountant, so claiming it was not club policy at the time seems a stretch. 

Changing the argument to one of scale seems disingenuous too.

I put fraud convictions above breaching financial fair play rules.  The latter is something I really barely care about.   I'd happily take an owner spewing way too much money on my football club over the oafs we have.  Other people may feel differently.
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« Reply #2068 on: November 06, 2018, 07:07:25 PM »

Swindon Town were relegated from the old First Division for "financial irregularities" which barely register on the scale compared to City's.

I'm guessing the Premier League will take a more lenient view.

So an allegation of breaching the financial fair play rules is higher up than multiple convictions for defrauding the Inland Revenue in a court of law and betting against their own side?  Interesting scale you have. 

I'm guessing the Premier League's scale is more accurate.

Even if the standard of proof for appearing in a newspaper article was the same as that applied to finding a guilty verdict in a Court of Law, I am still not putting breaching FFP rules higher up the scale. 


I'm sure those betting offences weren't club policy and the people guilty of that were dealt with completely seperately.

The charges which resulted in a double relegation(single after appeal) were those of secretly paying their players more than was on the books.

Do you honestly think that the financial doping in this case is not on a far greater scale?

It was the club chairman and accountant, so claiming it was not club policy at the time seems a stretch. 

Changing the argument to one of scale seems disingenuous too.

I put fraud convictions above breaching financial fair play rules.  The latter is something I really barely care about.   I'd happily take an owner spewing way too much money on my football club over the oafs we have.  Other people may feel differently.

Labelling it "fraud" seems disingenuous to me too - they paid their players extra money in ready cash and incurred the wrath of the IRS - it's hardly Bernie Madoff.

Isn't inflating the amount of money paid my your sponsors by tens of £M considerably more fraudulent?
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« Reply #2069 on: November 06, 2018, 07:47:53 PM »

Found a loophole.

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