Shaking off some rust

[muckthenuts]

Hardly play poker at all lately, but was bored enough when lying in bed with flu that i loaded up some 10nl today.

Had one interesting spot that puzzled me. Villain is unknown.

100bb effective.
Folds to button who opens to $.30
I 3b BB to $1.10 holding  , button calls.

Flop 

I cbet $1.60. Button raises to $4. I debate all options then eventually fold.

Thoughts? What about checking flop instead?

[shipitgood]

Fold is fine on flop mate, as for checking the flop you could do occasionally, but expect you 2 be betting here the vast majority of the time with 1010 and all better pairs. With the flop it's hard to know without any reads, eg is he passive/ aggro with draws, what sizings does he use for sets / draws, is there a difference.

[pleno1]

flop seems a little ambitious to bet for value. id start by checking and revaluating.

[adiman999]

Villain is going to have so many hands he can continue with on this flop. A lot of the combos he will flat your 3b with smash this board. He has a ton of 2 pair combos as well as sets and straights. I think flop check is better, keep his range wide. By betting you are basically forcing him to fold all hands you crush and continue with all hands that crush you or have really good equity against your hand.

As played I think at 10nl this is a really easy fold. He will have two pairs, straights and sets a ton of the time and when he has a FD he will likely have two overs aswell, so you arent in great shape then either.

[Honeybadger]

IMO this is a better hand to put in a bet/folding range than a check/calling (or check/folding or check/deciding) range. Granted, it is not really for value in the usual sense since you will likely lose the pot more than 50% of the time once opponent does anything other than fold to your bet (he will either raise you off the hand, call and outdraw you, or call and bluff you on turn/river). And neither is it a bluff obviously. It is mainly just an equity realisation bet, i.e. protection. It is a gain for hero when opponent folds a hand like QJ. Plus, there is some value component to a bet, since a decent chunk of villain's calling range will be one pair hands. These will often just check it down unimproved and so we often get to realise our equity against that part of his range. Sure, it sucks to bet knowing that we cannot continue betting most runouts without being a spazztard, and will have to check/fold the turn or river a good chunk of the time. But it's okay to have some hands that we bet with on the flop and then give up with on the turn. And when our bet-once-then-give-up hands have good showdown value vs the section of villain's range that he will also seek to showdown cheaply it is ideal.

[muckthenuts]

Glad to see check/folding mentioned. I've been thinking that though it's a bit weak it might just be easier to do that and have villain think I had AK than try and continue in someway with TT here. All methods of proceeding feel quite messy. I'd rather throw in a 3b with 87s sometimes instead.

[Honeybadger]

I think check/fold is the worst of your options.

[muckthenuts]

I think check/fold is the worst of your options.

Brilliant haha.

But there's so many bad runouts and many cards in the deck to fade. I like our hand if it goes check/check behind. But if our opponent bets I can't see too many scenarios where it doesn't become quite difficult for us to win the hand vs the range he can represent. Our opponent shouldn't hold too many stray 8x here.

I like check/continuing with AA/KK/QQ as our opponent can still have worse pairs. A hand like 8x also preferred as it has a blocker to some value hands our opponent has that immediately beat us.

What are your thoughts on check/folding?

[AlexMartin]

meh, stoved some reasonable ranges, hate most runouts, GII.

[SuuPRlim]

6 years ago everyone is getting this in and not even thinking twice...

What's happened to poker :-(

[Rexas]

6 years ago everyone is getting this in and not even thinking twice...

What's happened to poker :-(

"greedy self centred and arrogant youngsters. Many of whom don't interact with players or socialise they simply hide under a hoody and behind glasses."

[KingPush]

bet/shove. Check/folding is terrible