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« Reply #4485 on: November 19, 2020, 10:14:23 PM »

The press conference today was amazing!

I got a notification from Pakman's YT that it was going live, but was working.

Will have to take a look later on, now you've said that Cheesy
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« Reply #4486 on: November 19, 2020, 11:34:53 PM »



Rudy been playing up? Cheesy
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« Reply #4487 on: November 20, 2020, 09:12:30 AM »



Rudy been playing up? Cheesy

The country’s leading election lawyers haven’t wanted anything to do with this. Three separate law firms who did get involved withdrew their services at short notice and Rudy was drafted as a late substitute to represent the President’s case in court. It was his first courtroom appearance for 28 years and, apparently, it went as well as you might expect, and he struggled badly.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/11/18/nation/heres-what-happened-when-rudy-giuliani-made-his-first-appearance-federal-court-nearly-three-decades/?outputType=amp

It’s one thing for media yappers or up-and-coming lightweight politicians to share their opinions, but Mick Mulvaney (White House Chief of Staff until earlier this year) blasting Rudy’s work is significant.

Rudy held a presser yesterday, which had been trailed as the event where they would present the evidence to the public. He put forward several examples and made a number of relevant points about this election fraud business. Unfortunately, their impact was overshadowed by his out-of-control hair dye, so no-one will remember anything else.



Even worse, Trump’s team was live-streaming it, but cut away though, unfortunately, not before their own commentators were caught laughing about Rudy.s meltdown, thinking they couldn’t be heard.




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« Reply #4488 on: November 20, 2020, 03:42:20 PM »

Saw him melting live, not a great look Cheesy

Who is the woman?
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« Reply #4489 on: November 20, 2020, 05:11:20 PM »



Tucker hammering them can't be good for Donald.
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« Reply #4490 on: November 22, 2020, 01:29:08 AM »



Tucker is out, too.
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« Reply #4491 on: November 23, 2020, 12:44:01 AM »

The respected legal firms who got caught up in the Trump train have realised that they made a mistake and have buggered off, and the virus has sidelined Bossie and Lewandowski, so he has turned to a group of lawyers who are better known for their TV appearances than their legal career highlights. Rudy’s main supporting lawyers are now Sidney Powell and Jenna Ellis, along with the husband-and-wife duo of Joseph DiGenova and Victoria Toensing. They are all bonkers cartoon characters one way or another, all being partial to general conspiracy theories, while having their own pet crackpot themes. Whatever about the merits, it's a shoddy show that the President is reduced to this bunch instead of having decent representation.

Other than Rudy, Powell has the best legal stripes. She is also Michael Flynn’s lawyer, a position she picked up when she publicly criticised his legal team for agreeing too readily to a deal, saying he should replace them, which he did - with her. She is inclined to blame Venezuela and communists for a lot of the problems and has given credence to some QAnon ideas, while claiming to know nothing about them.

Ellis wasn’t always a Trump supporter, to put it mildly. During the last campaign, she called him “an idiot”, "unethical corrupt lying criminal dirtbag” and many other things, and said "his supporters don’t care about facts or logic” and that arguments supporting him are "ridiculously illogical, inconsistent, and blatantly stupid”. She came around once he won the nomination and is all in now. Women, huh! She brings Christianity into it a lot - one of her many objections to Trump originally was that he wasn’t a proper Christian. She also has a particular issue with homosexuality and has written extensively about its evils. She managed to get into an online row with Marge Simpson a while ago.



DiGenova and Toensing have had respectable legal careers and have had their fingers in numerous controversies over the years. He investigated the Administration of DC Mayor Marion Barry, which led to a dozen convictions. She was Scooter Libby's lawyer when he was pardoned by Trump for his crimes while he was VP Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff. They are well into their seventies now and are known for their many television appearances, particularly appearing with Lou Dobbs, and are known for having it in for the Justice Dept and the FBI. They’ve been linked to Trump for a while.

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« Reply #4492 on: November 23, 2020, 12:49:07 AM »

The Jenna Ellis - Marge Simpson spat.

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« Reply #4493 on: November 23, 2020, 01:52:46 AM »



Tucker is out, too.

Yeah, Tucker jumping ship shows how lost the cause is. Most of Fox has abandoned Trump now, though Hannity, Dobbs, Jeanine Pirro and Maria Bartiromo are still on board. Tucker has the biggest audience in the country and has been solid until now, so Sidney and him turning on each other is delicious. Here she is outlining her case again, with some incredible allegations, and a few words for Tucker at the start. She also makes surprising allegations against Georgia Governor Brian Kemp.



Donald has actively undermined Fox several times lately, and has pushed alternative right-wing channels Newsmax and OANN. He is also rumoured to be planning a new right-wing channel, which would be competing for Fox's audience, so the drift from him could have something to do with that.
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« Reply #4494 on: November 23, 2020, 02:29:41 AM »

That's how it goes, with them moving. One of my mates has been all Fox, and now he's stopped quoting Fox, and giving me quotes from OANN/Newsmax Cheesy

Seen bits in the Twitter streets about him looking to start his own network once he's gone, but reading/watching other stuff, the reason he doesn't want to let it go is that he's under it.

Hopefully we can see the back of both in 2021, as I'm not sure I can deal with another 12 months of cheeto & covid.
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« Reply #4495 on: November 23, 2020, 11:58:53 AM »

Christ, you can't take you eyes off this lot for a moment, or they have shot off in all directions.

First, Chris Christie laid into the legal team, particularly Sidney Powell, calling them a "national embarrassment".



Then Rudy and Jenna Ellis released a statement last night: “Sidney Powell is practicing law on her own. She is not a member of the Trump Legal Team. She is also not a lawyer for the President in his personal capacity."

Sidney responded: "I agree with the statement today. I will represent #WeThePeople and seek the Truth. I intend to expose all the fraud and let the chips fall where they may. We will not allow the foundations of this great Republic to be destroyed by abject fraud."

She certainly was a member of the legal team, as Trump tweeted that she was, and she had a prominent role in the most recent press conference. Maybe she has gone too far even for Rudy. She did seem to be presenting an entirely separate case to the others, focusing on foreign "Communist" countries. Donald managed to engage a lawyer who was too extreme and embarrassing for Rudy and Jenna Ellis, which is hard to do. Despite being sacked, it seems she is going to continue on her own. It's only Monday morning, with another whole week of this to look forward to.
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« Reply #4496 on: November 23, 2020, 01:09:04 PM »

Saw some Tweets saying as such, after they said she's nothing to do with them 'We've got the receipts' or something to that effect Cheesy

Only another month of 2020 left, thank goodness!
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« Reply #4497 on: November 23, 2020, 08:29:49 PM »

Only came across this Kyle, when he was on Rogan's election night podcast, and he does seem quite balanced, in that he normally just rips into everyone.



I remember seeing Haley speak quiet well at a few UN things a while back, and was it you that said they had high hopes for her within the party, MT?
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« Reply #4498 on: November 23, 2020, 11:29:03 PM »

Only came across this Kyle, when he was on Rogan's election night podcast, and he does seem quite balanced, in that he normally just rips into everyone.



I remember seeing Haley speak quiet well at a few UN things a while back, and was it you that said they had high hopes for her within the party, MT

Absolutely. She is definitely earmarked for a strong Presidential run. There are quite a few others also well placed, but she is one of the favourites for 2024 at this stage. I think Kulinski nails it here, though, in that 'Defund the Police', 'Green New Deal' and even 'AOC' are go-to scare-phrases for Republicans to connect with supporters, both traditional conservatives and Trump-base populists. The dream would be to inherit Trump's supporters, but you've got to feed them what they like which, as he indicates, isn't home ground for most of the candidates. Sniping at AOC on Twitter isn't Haley's bag at all, so I'm sure he's right that it was a strategic move. I wouldn't be at all surprised if she didn't actually write it.
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« Reply #4499 on: November 24, 2020, 01:36:21 AM »

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It may be over. Emily is Emily Murphy, head of the General Services Administration, which controls the transition.

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