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« Reply #765 on: November 27, 2020, 05:51:55 PM »

When the news popped up both me and my other half compared him to George Best.

Two hours after I'm browsing Twitter, only to see that not only did Maradona die on the same date as Best, 15 years later, they were both 60 years old at the time of death.

Spooky.

I think the fact that they died on the same date at the same age is where the comparisons should end. Maradona was levels above Best imo.


Comparing footballers across a 15 year age gap is tricky so it’s understandable that you could be wrong about this.

I’m open to being convinced otherwise.

Meh, you think Maradonna could do this on a wet Saturday in January?
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Personally, I rank Maradonna Top Ten, possibly Top Five. Certainly behind Messi and CR7 in the fulfilled potential lists.
In the ‘brilliant but flawed’ category he’s close to level with Best.

Reasonable enough for you?


I'm just more confused.

I was saying Maradona v Best in a straight up 'who was better?' debate, that Maradona has to be levels above Best. I get the feeling you disagree. I asked 5 football fans and they all said Maradona was way better. If you're not disputing that, then I apologise.

They all said he was levels above?  Best wasted his talent more, but Best clearly wasn't that far behind Maradona when he was at his peak.  Levels implies a massive gulf between the two. 

I think there is an issue comparing between generations as Messi has likely done more than Maradona ever did, and is likely better technically than Maradona was at his peak.  Both were clearly the best at their peak; and you'd struggle to  argue Best wasn't amongst the very best when he was at his peak.



 

       

They never said levels above. They were all clear that he was better. Some more emphatic than others', but a resounding whitewash for Maradona. I'm not sure why Ronaldo and Messi are being mentioned as the question is/was who was better out of Maradona v Best.

I'm not even sure Best would or should make a top 10 of players in the world, but Maradona would likely be top 3.
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« Reply #766 on: November 27, 2020, 07:27:18 PM »

Gotta concur with Vin here.

Maradona dragging Napoli to many successes is one of the most remarkable football stories ever imo and he was consistently incredible. Best was great but I think Maradona pips him.

On the other thoughts I want to get 2p in.

Messi and Ronaldo are head and shoulders above both of them and everyone else who ever played for that matter. Most of us here are old enough/ lucky enough to see their whole careers - amazing



 
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« Reply #767 on: November 27, 2020, 09:31:00 PM »

Gotta concur with Vin here.

Maradona dragging Napoli to many successes is one of the most remarkable football stories ever imo and he was consistently incredible. Best was great but I think Maradona pips him.

On the other thoughts I want to get 2p in.

Messi and Ronaldo are head and shoulders above both of them and everyone else who ever played for that matter. Most of us here are old enough/ lucky enough to see their whole careers - amazing



 

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« Reply #768 on: November 27, 2020, 09:47:31 PM »

I'm with Vinnie. No question in my mind: Maradonna far superior to Best on the field

Off field it's a little trickier.....
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« Reply #769 on: November 28, 2020, 09:49:47 AM »

When the news popped up both me and my other half compared him to George Best.

Two hours after I'm browsing Twitter, only to see that not only did Maradona die on the same date as Best, 15 years later, they were both 60 years old at the time of death.

Spooky.

I think the fact that they died on the same date at the same age is where the comparisons should end. Maradona was levels above Best imo.


Comparing footballers across a 15 year age gap is tricky so it’s understandable that you could be wrong about this.

I’m open to being convinced otherwise.

Meh, you think Maradonna could do this on a wet Saturday in January?
#Invalid YouTube Link#

Personally, I rank Maradonna Top Ten, possibly Top Five. Certainly behind Messi and CR7 in the fulfilled potential lists.
In the ‘brilliant but flawed’ category he’s close to level with Best.

Reasonable enough for you?


I'm just more confused.

I was saying Maradona v Best in a straight up 'who was better?' debate, that Maradona has to be levels above Best. I get the feeling you disagree. I asked 5 football fans and they all said Maradona was way better. If you're not disputing that, then I apologise.

They all said he was levels above?  Best wasted his talent more, but Best clearly wasn't that far behind Maradona when he was at his peak.  Levels implies a massive gulf between the two. 

I think there is an issue comparing between generations as Messi has likely done more than Maradona ever did, and is likely better technically than Maradona was at his peak.  Both were clearly the best at their peak; and you'd struggle to  argue Best wasn't amongst the very best when he was at his peak.



 

       

They never said levels above. They were all clear that he was better. Some more emphatic than others', but a resounding whitewash for Maradona. I'm not sure why Ronaldo and Messi are being mentioned as the question is/was who was better out of Maradona v Best.

I'm not even sure Best would or should make a top 10 of players in the world, but Maradona would likely be top 3.

Most people who put Maradonna ‘levels’ above Best are likely to be too young to have seen Best play. I’ll concede parity, although having an airport named after you >> a stadium named after you.

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« Reply #770 on: November 28, 2020, 04:48:34 PM »

When the news popped up both me and my other half compared him to George Best.

Two hours after I'm browsing Twitter, only to see that not only did Maradona die on the same date as Best, 15 years later, they were both 60 years old at the time of death.

Spooky.

I think the fact that they died on the same date at the same age is where the comparisons should end. Maradona was levels above Best imo.


Comparing footballers across a 15 year age gap is tricky so it’s understandable that you could be wrong about this.

I’m open to being convinced otherwise.

Meh, you think Maradonna could do this on a wet Saturday in January?
#Invalid YouTube Link#

Personally, I rank Maradonna Top Ten, possibly Top Five. Certainly behind Messi and CR7 in the fulfilled potential lists.
In the ‘brilliant but flawed’ category he’s close to level with Best.

Reasonable enough for you?


I'm just more confused.

I was saying Maradona v Best in a straight up 'who was better?' debate, that Maradona has to be levels above Best. I get the feeling you disagree. I asked 5 football fans and they all said Maradona was way better. If you're not disputing that, then I apologise.

They all said he was levels above?  Best wasted his talent more, but Best clearly wasn't that far behind Maradona when he was at his peak.  Levels implies a massive gulf between the two. 

I think there is an issue comparing between generations as Messi has likely done more than Maradona ever did, and is likely better technically than Maradona was at his peak.  Both were clearly the best at their peak; and you'd struggle to  argue Best wasn't amongst the very best when he was at his peak.



 

       

They never said levels above. They were all clear that he was better. Some more emphatic than others', but a resounding whitewash for Maradona. I'm not sure why Ronaldo and Messi are being mentioned as the question is/was who was better out of Maradona v Best.

I'm not even sure Best would or should make a top 10 of players in the world, but Maradona would likely be top 3.

Most people who put Maradonna ‘levels’ above Best are likely to be too young to have seen Best play. I’ll concede parity, although having an airport named after you >> a stadium named after you.



I didn't see Best or Pele play, but I'm fairly sure Pele was better. I tried a few 'top 10' lists and couldn't even find Best in any of them. Then it dawned on me that you are a Man U fan. Then I gave up.
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« Reply #771 on: November 28, 2020, 05:13:12 PM »

Solid Proof

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1365057/POLL-Maradona-Messi-Ronaldo-Best-Pele

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« Reply #772 on: November 28, 2020, 05:30:50 PM »


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« Reply #773 on: November 28, 2020, 06:11:06 PM »

Messi is massively RELATIVELY over rated for me.  Played in one of the greatest club sides ever with one of the greatest managers.   Played in a much stronger Argie team than Diego did but total no shows at WC finals.  Can't comment on Pele (before my time) .  Ronaldo has won the Euros with a shit Portugal side and set goal records playing in multiple leagues/champions league (going to finish the all time leading goal scorer in internationl football soon as well as Real's all time scorer with more than a goal a game and the all time champions league goal scorer) around the world.  Taken sports science in football to another level.  

Peak Best for me wouldn't be much different to peak Gazza.  Diego is only slightly ahead of Ronaldo for me.   Total chalk and Cheese.   One maxed his talent to the 100% max for nearly 2 decades.   The other played at the same level as a coke head.   He swings it with a single handed one man team WC win and 2 league titles single handed in Italy for a relegation side.

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« Reply #774 on: November 28, 2020, 08:19:08 PM »

I'd be odds against Best is even Manure's best player.   Not sure he is even top 3!   Top 5 all time in history is very lol.   He played 39 times for his country and won two league titles and a european cup.  Top five all time do more than that especially when they are playing for the 'biggest team in the world' throughout their peak.

Longevity and trophies and records are huge parts of being in the all time lists.  Best has none of these.   Rooney has won the lot with manure as the main man and got the all time scoring record.   Giggs nothing else needs to be said.   If manure have always been the biggest club in the world like all their fans like to tell you then with a talent like best they should have done a lot more than 2 titles and a european cup.   Gareth Bale has more than that and nearly won the euros for wales.  Best never got his country close to a final as a similar sized country.

Diego won two league titles single handed in the toughest league in the world (mid 80s isn't up for dispute wage wise they crushed the game in that era) with a relegation team single handed.  Best did the same with the 'lol biggest club in the world' in an era where the English first div wasn't that dominant.
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« Reply #775 on: November 28, 2020, 10:12:31 PM »

Rooney/giggs/bobby does best beat any of them all time on the manure list?   Anyone who is in the top 5 all time globally surely needs to be an auto top player for their club all time?  right?
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« Reply #776 on: November 29, 2020, 08:13:23 AM »

When the news popped up both me and my other half compared him to George Best.

Two hours after I'm browsing Twitter, only to see that not only did Maradona die on the same date as Best, 15 years later, they were both 60 years old at the time of death.

Spooky.

I think the fact that they died on the same date at the same age is where the comparisons should end. Maradona was levels above Best imo.


Comparing footballers across a 15 year age gap is tricky so it’s understandable that you could be wrong about this.

I’m open to being convinced otherwise.

Meh, you think Maradonna could do this on a wet Saturday in January?
#Invalid YouTube Link#

Personally, I rank Maradonna Top Ten, possibly Top Five. Certainly behind Messi and CR7 in the fulfilled potential lists.
In the ‘brilliant but flawed’ category he’s close to level with Best.

Reasonable enough for you?


I'm just more confused.

I was saying Maradona v Best in a straight up 'who was better?' debate, that Maradona has to be levels above Best. I get the feeling you disagree. I asked 5 football fans and they all said Maradona was way better. If you're not disputing that, then I apologise.

They all said he was levels above?  Best wasted his talent more, but Best clearly wasn't that far behind Maradona when he was at his peak.  Levels implies a massive gulf between the two. 

I think there is an issue comparing between generations as Messi has likely done more than Maradona ever did, and is likely better technically than Maradona was at his peak.  Both were clearly the best at their peak; and you'd struggle to  argue Best wasn't amongst the very best when he was at his peak.



 

       

They never said levels above. They were all clear that he was better. Some more emphatic than others', but a resounding whitewash for Maradona. I'm not sure why Ronaldo and Messi are being mentioned as the question is/was who was better out of Maradona v Best.

I'm not even sure Best would or should make a top 10 of players in the world, but Maradona would likely be top 3.

Most people who put Maradonna ‘levels’ above Best are likely to be too young to have seen Best play. I’ll concede parity, although having an airport named after you >> a stadium named after you.



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« Reply #777 on: November 29, 2020, 01:26:37 PM »

Some great Best quotes......


So George, where did it all go wrong?
The hotel bellboy who delivered champagne to Best's room and found him entertaining a scantily-clad Miss World on a bed covered with his winnings from the casino.

I've stopped drinking, but only while I'm asleep.
George Best provides some dark humour about his addiction.

The only thing I have in common with George Best is that we come from the same place, play for the same club and were discovered by the same man
Norman Whiteside.

I think I've found you a genius.
The telegram sent to Manchester United by talent scout Bob Bishop, who discovered a 15-year-old Best playing for Cregagh Boys' Club.

I once said Gazza's IQ was less than his shirt number and he asked me: "What's an IQ?"
Best on Paul Gascoigne.

I'd give all the Champagne I've ever drunk to be playing alongside him in a big European match at Old Trafford.
Eric Cantona impressed Best.

In 1969 I gave up women and alcohol - it was the worst 20 minutes of my life
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George Best - ever the joker.

I was in for 10 hours and had 40 pints - beating my previous record by 20 minutes.
Best on the blood transfusion after his liver transplant.

He's not George Best, but then again, no-one is.
Commentator Clive Tyldesley.

I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered.
Best on cash.
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« Reply #778 on: November 29, 2020, 05:12:24 PM »

Rooney/giggs/bobby does best beat any of them all time on the manure list?   Anyone who is in the top 5 all time globally surely needs to be an auto top player for their club all time?  right?

Way too measured an approach. I’ll agree with you in terms of overall impact on the club. You can add Cantona and Ronald to the list, and probably make an argument for Robson too.

Best could have eclipsed any of them, it’s hugely sad that he didn’t. His best days were better than any player I’ve witnessed. Cheating argie included.
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« Reply #779 on: November 29, 2020, 06:59:33 PM »

Some great Best quotes......


So George, where did it all go wrong?
The hotel bellboy who delivered champagne to Best's room and found him entertaining a scantily-clad Miss World on a bed covered with his winnings from the casino.

I've stopped drinking, but only while I'm asleep.
George Best provides some dark humour about his addiction.

The only thing I have in common with George Best is that we come from the same place, play for the same club and were discovered by the same man
Norman Whiteside.

I think I've found you a genius.
The telegram sent to Manchester United by talent scout Bob Bishop, who discovered a 15-year-old Best playing for Cregagh Boys' Club.

I once said Gazza's IQ was less than his shirt number and he asked me: "What's an IQ?"
Best on Paul Gascoigne.

I'd give all the Champagne I've ever drunk to be playing alongside him in a big European match at Old Trafford.
Eric Cantona impressed Best.

In 1969 I gave up women and alcohol - it was the worst 20 minutes of my life
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George Best - ever the joker.

I was in for 10 hours and had 40 pints - beating my previous record by 20 minutes.
Best on the blood transfusion after his liver transplant.

He's not George Best, but then again, no-one is.
Commentator Clive Tyldesley.

I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered.
Best on cash.


I think that last one is a paraphrase of an Alex Higgins quote.
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