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« Reply #90 on: June 09, 2016, 10:31:24 PM »

From Watfords perspective selling is pointless unless he wants to go as staying up every year earns them a fortune and 20 million becomes immaterial.
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« Reply #91 on: June 09, 2016, 10:36:18 PM »

Watford have turned down between 15-20m for deeney. Value him at 30 at 28yo .I know he's an important player to the club, and worth more to them than others but here's evidence that the new tv deal is sending values barmy. No British top flight club needs to sell.

How you going to replace a 10-15 goal a year man with £20m in 2016?  You can't without gambling.

Championship strikers are going for nearly £20m who have never scored in the EPL.
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« Reply #92 on: June 09, 2016, 10:40:40 PM »

Which is why our teams can only shop abroad where we can get players out for reasonably sensible money, and often better quality than domestic players
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« Reply #93 on: June 09, 2016, 10:44:01 PM »

Makes Martial and Rashford probably worth £100m+ combined for Man U.   Paying 'top dollar' last summer is looking good business this summer.
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« Reply #94 on: June 09, 2016, 10:54:38 PM »

Not sure why the bid size and rejection is causing such Twitter meltdown to be honest.
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« Reply #95 on: June 09, 2016, 11:32:55 PM »

Which is why our teams can only shop abroad where we can get players out for reasonably sensible money, and often better quality than domestic players

With how high the prices are think some teams need to improve their scouting network
West Ham bought Payet,Antonio,Lanzini,Obiang,Kouyate and Ogbonna for what Man City paid for Sterling

LCFC did it as well , plenty of value still out there

Paying £20mil guarantees nothing
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« Reply #96 on: June 09, 2016, 11:51:11 PM »

Or you could have spent £65m like Newcastle did on a load of Euro dross with the much hyped Graham Carr scouting system several years ago that was the envy of the EPL.   The very same scouting system sent them down last year and blew fortunes at the same time.

Villa spent a fortune on garbage as well.

So much of this scouting is just down to variance and short term results orientated chat.   If Leics sell their crown jewels this summer just because they got lucky with their scouting over the past 2 or 3 years doesn't mean it is any guide to how successful their scouting will be next season and the season after.  The sample sizes are tiny.
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« Reply #97 on: June 10, 2016, 10:44:32 AM »

i've tried hard not to say it, but i have got to say it

It's Leicester Cty, not Leics. Please and thank you

same way people don't like Notts Forest instead of Nottingham Forest

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and our scouting under the Steve Walsh team has been consistently excellent over six years now, has been a key competitive advantage in outperforming our "club size" in terms of league position

it has to be good, as the UK market pretty much prices out buyers these days

it is far far more than short term variance, getting lucky

hopefully we repeat that in summer recruitment this year
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« Reply #98 on: June 10, 2016, 10:58:10 AM »

i've tried hard not to say it, but i have got to say it

It's Leicester Cty, not Leics. Please and thank you

same way people don't like Notts Forest instead of Nottingham Forest

;-)

and our scouting under the Steve Walsh team has been consistently excellent over six years now, has been a key competitive advantage in outperforming our "club size" in terms of league position

it has to be good, as the UK market pretty much prices out buyers these days

it is far far more than short term variance, getting lucky

hopefully we repeat that in summer recruitment this year


Ok i will use LCFC and NFFC from now on.   Does it really matter?? Not sure how saying 'Leics' which is the standard abbrev for Leicestershire can be offensive for a one club city!  I can't be arsed typing out full names for no reason.  Anyway let's move on

You have got incredibly lucky with your scouting whatever you think over the last couple of years.  Not just finding the said players alone at the prices you did (that has an element of skill involved for sure), the fact they then have to gel and operate together as a team which is almost impossible to scout for personality clashes and fits/lack of egos when they are coming from different cultures/leagues/languages etc.   That is down to luck predominately.  Don't want to piss on your bonfire Tighty as LCFC have had the season for the ages but the situation doesn't seem any different to me to NUFC a few years ago when Carr was deemed to be the greatest scout in the history of the game and 'results orientated' awarded a 250 year contract for his successful 'guessing' which now variance has kicked in was so good they ended up being relegated despite spending huge last summer on this scouting system.  Maybe the manager was a factor as well.   Who knows

I am far more inclined to agree with you on LCFC's competitive edge with their sports science edges than the scouting ones long term tbh.
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« Reply #99 on: June 10, 2016, 11:02:28 AM »

thank you, its not offensive, its mildly irritating. not quite as irritating as lolapool must be though!

Leicester is a city team, Leicestershire and abbreviations are the county thats all



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« Reply #100 on: June 10, 2016, 11:03:28 AM »

i've tried hard not to say it, but i have got to say it

It's Leicester Cty, not Leics. Please and thank you

same way people don't like Notts Forest instead of Nottingham Forest

;-)

and our scouting under the Steve Walsh team has been consistently excellent over six years now, has been a key competitive advantage in outperforming our "club size" in terms of league position

it has to be good, as the UK market pretty much prices out buyers these days

it is far far more than short term variance, getting lucky

hopefully we repeat that in summer recruitment this year


You forgot to mention the cryogenic chamber.
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« Reply #101 on: June 10, 2016, 11:07:52 AM »

i've tried hard not to say it, but i have got to say it

It's Leicester Cty, not Leics. Please and thank you

same way people don't like Notts Forest instead of Nottingham Forest

;-)

and our scouting under the Steve Walsh team has been consistently excellent over six years now, has been a key competitive advantage in outperforming our "club size" in terms of league position

it has to be good, as the UK market pretty much prices out buyers these days

it is far far more than short term variance, getting lucky

hopefully we repeat that in summer recruitment this year


You forgot to mention the cryogenic chamber.

because we weren't discussing sports science

that has 100% definitely helped

just look at the days lost to injury for lcfc compared to any other premier league side in europe or not

Arsenal could perhaps put a bid in for it? (along with everything else at the club)
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« Reply #102 on: June 10, 2016, 11:13:15 AM »

thank you, its not offensive, its mildly irritating. not quite as irritating as lolapool must be though!

Leicester is a city team, Leicestershire and abbreviations are the county thats all





I spent 25 years of my life living in Leicestershire!  Grew up there, studied there and worked there!  I will cut out the lolapool as well.   Think it has had its day as well.   Stick to initials moving forward.
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« Reply #103 on: June 10, 2016, 11:14:32 AM »

As far as scouting goes, surely Udinese are the long established masters of this?  They've plucked a number of players from obscurity over the last 15 years who have either had stellar big club careers or are still leading world players now.  Next superstar is hopefully Peneranda as long as Watford can keep Barca from snaffling him too soon!
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« Reply #104 on: June 10, 2016, 11:23:16 AM »

Sorry Tighty but it really does seem like your a little over defensive regards Leicester City Football Club's setup and also a tad results orientated. What was the shortest price of Leicester City Football Club to be relegated just over two years ago when they were all but a lock to be relegated with that great setup or would you have still been saying the same if they had been relegated that year and not managed to bounce back so would be planning for trips to Burton, Rotherham and Newcastle next season.
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