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« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2017, 01:28:24 PM »

Decision is now on the button with QQ. He FOLDS.

So thoughts please.. has anyone played this particularly bad

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« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2017, 03:48:12 PM »

the result should be irrelevant to the question....shirley?
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« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2017, 04:06:40 PM »

the result should be irrelevant to the question....shirley?

correct.  You are surely flatting with QQ to induce a light shove right from the guy last to act to give him over 2/1 his money and insta call when he shoves over the top of you.
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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2017, 05:29:56 PM »

the result should be irrelevant to the question....shirley?

correct.  You are surely flatting with QQ to induce a light shove right from the guy last to act to give him over 2/1 his money and insta call when he shoves over the top of you.

Yes I would have thought that too. I think a shove with the 99s was rash ( call and check down if nobody's hits would have been my play). Its not just the £1000 jump, its surely the fact that by knocking a player out, your own chance of winning increases massively (ICM).
Folding the QQ was very tight. I think he thought only AA or KK would come over the top with the short stack all in. I still think you'd got to call thou.

 If your capable  of folding to a shove with QQ in that spot you might as well just shove straight off and takes any decisions away.
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« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2017, 08:51:27 PM »

UTG  10/10
Button 7/10
BB 8.5/10

FWIW, if I'm button here I would only flat call if I intended to induce a shove from the blinds and so snapping the shove. If the plan is to potentially fold, which it seems it is, then I got to mark his play down.

If I'm BB, I think calling is better than shoving by a fair amount but can imagine a lot of players and situations where I would shove without any hesitation

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« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2017, 12:36:14 PM »

How can you give the button 7/10, just because he didn't fold to the initial all in? Just because he wasn't smoking a fag and missed his hand?

Button 1/10!
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« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2017, 07:05:34 PM »

We cant shove 99 and button probably cant call off QQ. Just because we make a mistake shoving 99 doesn't mean his fold is a mistake. Far from it.
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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2017, 07:09:10 PM »

How can you give the button 7/10, just because he didn't fold to the initial all in? Just because he wasn't smoking a fag and missed his hand?

Button 1/10!

Quite so, oftentimes I would fold to the UTG all in so he showed a lot of heart there tbf so that's a 5/10. Also someone said he was a good reg and was moaning and so one point for each of those gives 7/10 - FACT
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« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2017, 07:17:26 PM »

We cant shove 99 and button probably cant call off QQ. Just because we make a mistake shoving 99 doesn't mean his fold is a mistake. Far from it.

That very concisely sums up how I was feeling - gave BB a slightly higher mark because, and perhaps it's flawed thinking due to my general weakness in playing poker, of the aggression - a bit like scoring a boxing match on points.
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« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2017, 02:35:51 PM »

oftentimes I would fold to the UTG all in

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« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2017, 02:58:06 PM »

Is the bottom of buttons calling range something like 66, 77, 88? A10, A9ss. KQss. etc. Facing a 7bb jam and assuming he calls his entire range. Is this range too loose?

My gut reaction was to jam 99 based on assumption of above ranges.

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