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« on: December 11, 2017, 07:52:02 PM »

Thoughts please.

£50k live comp with 4 players left. Short stack has 1.45 mil and has been short ( between 1m and 1.5m ) for half hour or so. Blinds are 100k 200k with 100k button ante. All have locked up £3,000 + £1,100 ticket. 3rd place is £4k, 2nd £6k, 1st £10K

Short stack shoves all in utg with his 1.45m
Button (10m ish stack) flat calls the 1.45m.
Small blind (12m ish) folds.
Big blind (8.5m ish) has 99.

What would you do if you were the BB?
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2017, 08:02:52 PM »

Instant shove - though calling would be ok - that said there are a lot of better players than me on Blonde who I am sure will give the correct answer
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2017, 07:55:12 PM »

Thanks Mikeymike for your reply. What would it be though, instant shove OR call. Can't do both.

I would real like some more opinions as well because it was interesting what happened next and caused some arguments on the table!
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2017, 08:05:22 PM »

This isn't a fistpump instant shove at all imo.  I think its probably closer to a fold than a shove tbh given the stack sizes.  If you shove you are only ever getting looked up by a better hand that crushes you.  ak will probably fold as well with that many bigs.  You are just gifting the guy who has folded £k's icm wise if you get called by the flat caller when you shove.  It is a difficult decision.
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2017, 08:07:53 PM »

Player dependent but probably a call, still left with 30bb if we miss the flop.
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2017, 10:21:15 PM »

Idk how it's possible to respond without any information on the players. You ought to have pretty copious reads by this point. 
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2017, 10:55:24 PM »

Idk how it's possible to respond without any information on the players. You ought to have pretty copious reads by this point. 

i would say Call is wayyyy better than shoving. for an FT I would assume that call and checking down would be possibly the best way to attempt to knock out the guy who is all in

shoving seems icm suicide though means that the initial caller can't with hardly any hands. that is assuming he knows what ICM even means, which in my experience of live MTTs they wont!

Call >>>> shove imo
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2017, 11:36:11 PM »

Idk how it's possible to respond without any information on the players. You ought to have pretty copious reads by this point. 

Button (flat caller) is a good reg who's won plenty.
SB (chip leader) is unknown but playing abc poker.
UTG (all in) solid reg.
BB (is not me btw)
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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2017, 04:26:29 PM »

Thanks for te feedback chaps. Anyway here's where it got interesting. Again thoughts please.

The BB shoves all in for his 8.5mill. Then the button get very irate. "What you doing there you idiot" (or something to that effect). He's not a happy chappy! He has QQ!!

So thoughts.... 1st, would you now call the allin with his QQs.
                      2nd would you have flat called the original utg all in in the first place or would you have played it different???
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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2017, 04:33:38 PM »

I'd snap call.
I'd play it the same as the button.
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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2017, 05:48:50 PM »

I'd snap call.
I'd play it the same as the button.

Thanks Longines, however I've not revealed what the button did yet (-:
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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2017, 05:51:54 PM »

I'd snap call.
I'd play it the same as the button.

Thanks Longines, however I've not revealed what the button did yet (-:

Sorry Longines, do you mean you would have flated the original all in??
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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2017, 06:47:44 PM »

Yes. Hoping someone goes nuts with 66-JJ. If they have AA/KK, nh.
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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2017, 09:28:51 PM »

It is surely a definite shove from the BB. It isn't a big payjump 4th to third and he folds a lot and you get all the dead money in there. The QQ should of course snap call the shove.
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« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2017, 01:14:18 PM »

So.... to recap, the bb shoves all in.
Decision is now on the button with QQ. He FOLDS.

The small stack turns over QJ dd. Flop is 77Q !! The small stack triples to 4.55mil.

So thoughts please.. has anyone played this particularly good or bad in your opinions??
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