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« on: October 11, 2018, 11:36:17 PM »

Finally!

Are we really going to see an end to re-entry?

I've probably stopped re-entry at DTD at least 5 times in the past few years, only to give in to player moans. I get it, we had re-buys, then freezeouts and now re-entry + Day 2 buy-in. But, I remember playing the original EPTs, the excitement sitting down at the start with hundreds of other hopefuls and famous faces, hearing ‘shuffle up and deal’ – the relief when I swerved an opponent’s nut flush draw, knocking out a top pro and him really being ‘out’,  the feeling of accomplishment making day 2, chatting at the bar with friends about all the hands I played and the anticipation of getting a good table draw on Day 2. Apart from the WSOP Main Event, most players don’t experience this nowadays, you can wander in anytime and register, if you have deep pockets or are staked you don’t worry about busting, and you can easily make Day 2 – just skip Day 1 and buy-in on Day 2! You don’t often get seated with a famous player as they tend to late reg, sometimes you can start with less than 10% of the field, and it must be soul destroying to bust Fedor Holz and have to bust him again...and again!



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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2018, 11:47:30 PM »


I would love to see the end of re-entries, even if it means much smaller guarantees. I'm really not sure this trend for bigger and bigger headline guarantees is sustainable. Who will run out of money first, the cardrooms or the players? Though I guess I'd have a different view if I was a winner at those stakes.

Rob sums it up perfectly in his blog, and I hope he sticks to his guns on this.
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2018, 11:50:18 PM »


I would love to see the end of re-entries, even if it means much smaller guarantees. I'm really not sure this trend for bigger and bigger headline guarantees is sustainable. Who will run out of money first, the cardrooms or the players? Though I guess I'd have a different view if I was a winner at those stakes.

Rob sums it up perfectly in his blog, and I hope he sticks to his guns on this.

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Even I would turn out for a genuine freezeout, and I'll bring Ralph with me.
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2018, 11:52:56 PM »


I would love to see the end of re-entries, even if it means much smaller guarantees. I'm really not sure this trend for bigger and bigger headline guarantees is sustainable. Who will run out of money first, the cardrooms or the players? Though I guess I'd have a different view if I was a winner at those stakes.

Rob sums it up perfectly in his blog, and I hope he sticks to his guns on this.

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Even I would turn out for a genuine freezeout, and I'll bring Ralph with me.

I'd be tempted to come along, too.

Re-entries affect how folks play, too. If you have a pocket full of money, it's much easier to play fast and loose.
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2018, 06:16:06 AM »


I would love to see the end of re-entries, even if it means much smaller guarantees. I'm really not sure this trend for bigger and bigger headline guarantees is sustainable. Who will run out of money first, the cardrooms or the players? Though I guess I'd have a different view if I was a winner at those stakes.

Rob sums it up perfectly in his blog, and I hope he sticks to his guns on this.

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Even I would turn out for a genuine freezeout, and I'll bring Ralph with me.

I'd be tempted to come along, too.

Re-entries affect how folks play, too. If you have a pocket full of money, it's much easier to play fast and loose.

This guy knew...

I understand the rationale behind allowing a re-entry into a tournament.  Getting eliminated on a cooler or bad beat in an early level sucks. Especially if you've travelled some distance to play. But shouldn't there be a limit?
How many times should you have to be felted before your tournament is done?
Twice? Three times? Four? More?
Yes it builds the pot but it also removes the purity of a freeze out tournament.

Let's imagine we've got it in pre with AA vs Phil Ivey who has the other two bullets but we make a flush. That's great because not only do we have more chips now but we've also eliminated one of the best players in the field. Should we have to face him again?

Multiple entries with the 'highest stack through' have this issue and a few more. Maybe it's time to just run it once...


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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2018, 08:43:39 AM »


I would love to see the end of re-entries, even if it means much smaller guarantees. I'm really not sure this trend for bigger and bigger headline guarantees is sustainable. Who will run out of money first, the cardrooms or the players? Though I guess I'd have a different view if I was a winner at those stakes.

Rob sums it up perfectly in his blog, and I hope he sticks to his guns on this.

+1

Even I would turn out for a genuine freezeout, and I'll bring Ralph with me.

DTD runs a £5,000 GTD Pure freezeout every Wednesday night
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2018, 09:15:28 AM »


I would love to see the end of re-entries, even if it means much smaller guarantees. I'm really not sure this trend for bigger and bigger headline guarantees is sustainable. Who will run out of money first, the cardrooms or the players? Though I guess I'd have a different view if I was a winner at those stakes.

Rob sums it up perfectly in his blog, and I hope he sticks to his guns on this.

+1

Even I would turn out for a genuine freezeout, and I'll bring Ralph with me.

DTD runs a £5,000 GTD Pure freezeout every Wednesday night

Good to hear. Does it do OK?
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2018, 09:16:42 AM »

 "DTD is a shed on a retail park in Nottingham, there is no beach."

Gerald Ratner, eat your heart out.
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2018, 09:30:19 AM »


I would love to see the end of re-entries, even if it means much smaller guarantees. I'm really not sure this trend for bigger and bigger headline guarantees is sustainable. Who will run out of money first, the cardrooms or the players? Though I guess I'd have a different view if I was a winner at those stakes.

Rob sums it up perfectly in his blog, and I hope he sticks to his guns on this.

+1

Even I would turn out for a genuine freezeout, and I'll bring Ralph with me.

DTD runs a £5,000 GTD Pure freezeout every Wednesday night

Good to hear. Does it do OK?

Through September and October it shows as having a range from 81 to 95 entries.

Grosvenor would be dropping the guarantee to £3500 on those results...
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2018, 09:31:03 AM »


I would love to see the end of re-entries, even if it means much smaller guarantees. I'm really not sure this trend for bigger and bigger headline guarantees is sustainable. Who will run out of money first, the cardrooms or the players? Though I guess I'd have a different view if I was a winner at those stakes.

Rob sums it up perfectly in his blog, and I hope he sticks to his guns on this.

+1

Even I would turn out for a genuine freezeout, and I'll bring Ralph with me.

DTD runs a £5,000 GTD Pure freezeout every Wednesday night

Good to hear. Does it do OK?

Usually a bit short

The re-entry question is more nuanced than being implied. Yes in a vacuum you'd want everything to be one bullet, level playing field. Big tournaments particularly, more prestigious if they are i think

However even at a local level if someone is travelling a distance then they have a fear of Aces going under in level 1 and set under set etc and a wasted journey. Not because they don't win but because they haven't got a long enough playing experience (notably if they don't play cash)

Now magnify that with a super high roller on one side of the Atlantic being asked to play the other side in a $10k buy in event with all the expenses occurred and getting the same cooler.

So the challenge is to come up with (a weekly format at DTD and) a festival format for MILLIONS that doesn't make the recreational player feel disenfranchised nor make the super high roller not want to travel.

I suppose Rob feels that the balance has shifted too far in favour of the "big boys" but that the festivals will still need enough "action" for them so maybe apart from the main there will be re-entry comps etc

hence his blog to look for feedback as he and John Duthie put their plans in place
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2018, 12:36:36 PM »

My 2p x 3.

I think the DTD weekly format is pretty good. £50 freeze for those that want it, max 2 re-entries in the others IIRC. I only play the PLO comp and getting stacks in the middle in the first hour is fairly standard and given it's a two hour round trip I'd probably swerve it most weeks if it was a freeze. Allowing a max of 2 re-entries if required feels like the right balance between negating the power of deep pockets versus making the journey worthwhile and delivering a bigger prizepool.
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2018, 12:55:34 PM »

I think the balance is somewhere between the two.  You want the option of a re-entry if you go out very early, but you don't want people to be able to rebuy very late or on day 2.  Seeing someone sit back down with 20 bbs and double up through you after you previously knocked them out is pretty galling when you sat there for 8 or 10 hours to build your stack.

Depending on structures, I think the first 4 levels is fine (say 4 hours in a 3 day comp or an hour or so for an evening comp) and 1 re-entry is fine.  Anything more and people just get pissed off with it.

I don't think it is massively detrimental to EV in a lot of cases (it isn't always Fedor Holz that rebuys), I just think the balance is wrong right now.  I also don't think clubs should listen too much to us people from the old school, the current players should hold more weight, but when I say current players, the rec players opinion should be key.

FWIW the original EPTs were 1k or 1.5k?  I think 5k seems about right, and 10k should be resisted.  From my hazy memory, for a few years, the 10k was Grand Final only?

Finally, I am not sure anybody wants to see DTD disappear striving for ever bigger guarantees.  If they cut re-entries, I think nearly as many people will show up for a million guaramtee as would for a 2 million one.  Hope it all works ut well.
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