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« on: February 22, 2019, 07:27:30 PM »

Just been banned from driving for the fourth time today lifetime.  Never ever been done for speeding above 60mph in my life.  Never been done once for speeding on a motorway or a dual carriage way even though i do 80% of my miles on these roads.  Attended at least 5 speed awareness courses (so thats 5 3 points i got off with).  85% of my 3 points have been 36 in a 30 and 47 in a 40 or similar.  Is it a tax fiddle and a revenue generator?  I understand that i should just drive at 30 in a 30 and 40 in a 40 but the direct cost of having 4 lots of 3 points in these marginal spots runs into several thousands after £100 fines and multiple insurance hikes for 5 years.  Does the punishment fit the crime?

I had genuine family reasons today to get off the ban on 'extreme hardship' reasons which were thrown out of court because of my profession and the fact i am single with no kids.  I got the impression yet again if i had to provide for kids it would make a difference.  Why are you punished for being single with no kids and doing a 'job' that isn't normal but needs your car as much as any other job?  Should i feel bad about signing on as i can't 'travel' to work at casinos and race courses or simply fuck the system because it has fucked me?
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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2019, 07:33:39 PM »

Why are you punished for being single with no kids and doing a 'job' that isn't normal but needs your car as much as any other job? 

I don't think you are being punished for that, I think you are being punished for being a serial offender.

I don't think any 4 timer would have got leniency.
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2019, 07:35:30 PM »

Why are you punished for being single with no kids and doing a 'job' that isn't normal but needs your car as much as any other job?

I don't think you are being punished for that, I think you are being punished for being a serial offender.

I don't think any 4 timer would have got leniency.

The questions they ask in court to 'lol prove extreme hardship' would suggest otherwise.  There was a case highlighted in the press a few months ago where a rugby players wife had the same situation as me and claimed in court that her husband would have to quit his highly paid job as a rugbby pro so theiir kids could get to school if she couldn't drive.   Is that extreme hardship?  Couldn't they just go to a local school or via taxi?  She got off on 'extreme hardship' really?  
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2019, 07:38:45 PM »

Why are you punished for being single with no kids and doing a 'job' that isn't normal but needs your car as much as any other job?

I don't think you are being punished for that, I think you are being punished for being a serial offender.

I don't think any 4 timer would have got leniency.

The questions they ask in court to 'lol prove extreme hardship would suggest otherwise'


From their point of view, perhaps stopping a family breadwinner from working causes more hardship than stopping a single bloke from gambling.

I say again, from their point of view.
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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2019, 07:40:09 PM »

Why are you punished for being single with no kids and doing a 'job' that isn't normal but needs your car as much as any other job?

I don't think you are being punished for that, I think you are being punished for being a serial offender.

I don't think any 4 timer would have got leniency.

The questions they ask in court to 'lol prove extreme hardship would suggest otherwise'


From their point of view, perhaps stopping a family breadwinner from working causes more hardship than stopping a single bloke from gambling.

I say again, from their point of view.

why does it matter if a single bloke makes a living legally playing rugby for a living or playing poker?  Other than the obvious middle england image reasons?  the married man with kids on £100k a year should be able to afford taxis to school foor the kids for 6 months surely so he can attend training in the morning. 
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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2019, 07:43:21 PM »

Why are you punished for being single with no kids and doing a 'job' that isn't normal but needs your car as much as any other job?

I don't think you are being punished for that, I think you are being punished for being a serial offender.

I don't think any 4 timer would have got leniency.

The questions they ask in court to 'lol prove extreme hardship would suggest otherwise'


From their point of view, perhaps stopping a family breadwinner from working causes more hardship than stopping a single bloke from gambling.

I say again, from their point of view.

why does it matter if a single bloke makes a living legally playing rugby for a living or playing poker?  Other than the obvious middle england image reasons?

IMO it doesn't, but I'm talking about their opinion.

Plus the single bloke thing. If they stop you from gambling the only the only hardship would be for you, the offender, not a wife and a bunch of kids.
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2019, 07:44:21 PM »

How long is your ban BTW?
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2019, 07:45:02 PM »

Why are you punished for being single with no kids and doing a 'job' that isn't normal but needs your car as much as any other job?

I don't think you are being punished for that, I think you are being punished for being a serial offender.

I don't think any 4 timer would have got leniency.

The questions they ask in court to 'lol prove extreme hardship would suggest otherwise'


From their point of view, perhaps stopping a family breadwinner from working causes more hardship than stopping a single bloke from gambling.

I say again, from their point of view.

why does it matter if a single bloke makes a living legally playing rugby for a living or playing poker?  Other than the obvious middle england image reasons?

IMO it doesn't, but I'm talking about their opinion.

Plus the single bloke thing. If they stop you from gambling the only the only hardship would be for you, the offender, not a wife and a bunch of kids.

The law shouldn't be about opinion and whethher you have kids, you are gay, black white or single.  It should be the same for everyone.  Having kids and a wife shouldn't make you more likely to escape a driving ban than someone who chooses to be single and needs their car just as much for their work (if not more working the anti social hours i do and public transport is impossible) but doesn't have kids and a wife to provide for.  I have zero problem being banned as i am guilty as charged but when i see bullshit family excuses pulled out and rich types escaping for the nonsense they spout it is incredibly frustrating
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2019, 07:48:44 PM »

How long is your ban BTW?

Standard 6 months for totting up it can never be more or less.  its as fixed as a £100 with 3 point speeding fine.
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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2019, 07:50:04 PM »

Why are you punished for being single with no kids and doing a 'job' that isn't normal but needs your car as much as any other job?

I don't think you are being punished for that, I think you are being punished for being a serial offender.

I don't think any 4 timer would have got leniency.

The questions they ask in court to 'lol prove extreme hardship would suggest otherwise'


From their point of view, perhaps stopping a family breadwinner from working causes more hardship than stopping a single bloke from gambling.

I say again, from their point of view.

why does it matter if a single bloke makes a living legally playing rugby for a living or playing poker?  Other than the obvious middle england image reasons?

IMO it doesn't, but I'm talking about their opinion.

Plus the single bloke thing. If they stop you from gambling the only the only hardship would be for you, the offender, not a wife and a bunch of kids.

The law shouldn't be about opinion and whethher you have kids, you are gay, black white or single.  It should be the same for everyone.  Having kids and a wife shouldn't make you more likely to escape a driving ban than someone who chooses to be single and needs their car just as much but doesn't have kids and a wife to provide for.

Why is this? Seems to me that the law should take account of potential suffering of people who have done nothing wrong.
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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2019, 07:52:41 PM »

Why are you punished for being single with no kids and doing a 'job' that isn't normal but needs your car as much as any other job?

I don't think you are being punished for that, I think you are being punished for being a serial offender.

I don't think any 4 timer would have got leniency.

The questions they ask in court to 'lol prove extreme hardship would suggest otherwise'


From their point of view, perhaps stopping a family breadwinner from working causes more hardship than stopping a single bloke from gambling.

I say again, from their point of view.

why does it matter if a single bloke makes a living legally playing rugby for a living or playing poker?  Other than the obvious middle england image reasons?

IMO it doesn't, but I'm talking about their opinion.

Plus the single bloke thing. If they stop you from gambling the only the only hardship would be for you, the offender, not a wife and a bunch of kids.

The law shouldn't be about opinion and whethher you have kids, you are gay, black white or single.  It should be the same for everyone.  Having kids and a wife shouldn't make you more likely to escape a driving ban than someone who chooses to be single and needs their car just as much but doesn't have kids and a wife to provide for.

Why is this? Seems to me that the law should take account of potential suffering of people who have done nothing wrong.

Why should i be rewarded potentially by being feckless all my life and having 6 kids by six different women (all on benefits) which i have to travel to see every week?  Why would that be seen as being a positive for me keeping my licence over choosing responsibly to be single and have no kids and no drain to society?
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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2019, 07:57:06 PM »

Think I’ve only got to 6 points twice in my life, both times I slowed down and made sure I didn’t get any more as it would be job gone if I lost my licence. Don’t understand why you didn’t do the same mate? 
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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2019, 07:59:24 PM »

Why are you punished for being single with no kids and doing a 'job' that isn't normal but needs your car as much as any other job?

I don't think you are being punished for that, I think you are being punished for being a serial offender.

I don't think any 4 timer would have got leniency.

The questions they ask in court to 'lol prove extreme hardship would suggest otherwise'


From their point of view, perhaps stopping a family breadwinner from working causes more hardship than stopping a single bloke from gambling.

I say again, from their point of view.

why does it matter if a single bloke makes a living legally playing rugby for a living or playing poker?  Other than the obvious middle england image reasons?

IMO it doesn't, but I'm talking about their opinion.

Plus the single bloke thing. If they stop you from gambling the only the only hardship would be for you, the offender, not a wife and a bunch of kids.

The law shouldn't be about opinion and whethher you have kids, you are gay, black white or single.  It should be the same for everyone.  Having kids and a wife shouldn't make you more likely to escape a driving ban than someone who chooses to be single and needs their car just as much but doesn't have kids and a wife to provide for.

Why is this? Seems to me that the law should take account of potential suffering of people who have done nothing wrong.

Why should i be rewarded potentially by being feckless all my life and having 6 kids by six different women (all on benefits) which i have to travel to see every week?  Why would that be seen as being a positive for me keeping my licence over choosing responsibly to be single and have no kids and no drain to society?

As we know, that type of person is a tiny, near irrelevant portion of society and mostly just a fantasy of the right wing tabloids. The fecklessness seems like punishment enough for them. The kids shouldn’t imo be subject to extra punishment.
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« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2019, 08:03:00 PM »

Think I’ve only got to 6 points twice in my life, both times I slowed down and made sure I didn’t get any more as it would be job gone if I lost my licence. Don’t understand why you didn’t do the same mate?  

I did this but got done twice doing 35 in a 30 and 46 in a 40.  Its pretty hard to constantly never go slighty about the limit.  My other issue is thatt if you work 9-5 in an office you don't realise mobile speed camera vans exist because they never operate outside of office hours monday to friday.  Yet another tax on someone who doesn't live a 9-5 lifestyle.  I spoke to a couple of 9-5 er's and they said they had never seen a mobile speed van in their life which summed it up.

it doesn't change my life woodsey like it would yours work wise.  i can easily work without a car but that isn't the point.  The system should be the same for all.  If this was a system changing rules based on sex all hell would break loose in 2019.
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