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« Reply #45 on: June 07, 2020, 07:17:40 PM »

Hope all these morons gathering like they are to ‘protest’ are being fined
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« Reply #46 on: June 07, 2020, 07:53:01 PM »

at the moment there is a coalition of ex service men and football casuals surrounding the churchill monument to stop it being vandalised whilst protesters chant to tear it down - a statue in bristol ended up in the drink this morning. in plymouth there are white lads standing in front of war memorials. there is a prominent tommy robinson supporter on twitter putting out a call to arms for white lads from brum to get down there to help.

don't tell me that racial fighting is not being bated or is inconceivable

memorials but up for men who died fighting nazis are being desecrated by people who claim to be anti facist yet would argue the soldiers were enablers of a white colonial oppressive system.

this needs to be called out as nonsense, it is going to end very badly if moderates do nothing.

The Bristol statue was of Colston and its future has been controversial for some time.  Put it this way, I had a pretty good idea which statue it was when I heard a statue had come down in Bristol; I wouldn't have stopped at half a million on who wants to be a millionaire with my guess anyway.  It has nothing to do with war memorials which haven't been pulled down anywhere AFAIK.

The black lives matter isn't nonsense to the people on the ralllies.  Not sure how dusmissing it as nonsense is going to be better for race relations than listening to their grievances.  I wouldn't go because of Covid, but think there have been plenty of reasons to protest this issur over the years.  I'd be very much against pulling down war memorials if that isn't clear.

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« Reply #47 on: June 07, 2020, 08:07:35 PM »

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« Reply #48 on: June 07, 2020, 08:15:28 PM »

yes i am aware of the statue in brizzle

the narrative that whites and black people are in an oppressor / oppressed dynamic within a system that needs to overthrown is a nonsense. and i will continue to argue against it.

that the goals of the BLM movement are highly political outside of race - demanding various forms of socialism is something else i will continue to push back on.

and the idea that group identity sits above individual worth is something i have fought right back to my militant socialist youth, and i will continue to do so.

i agree with many of their grievances, but a lot are based on a nonsense theory of identity not facts and i will most definitely be questioning it wherever i encounter it. it's a dangerous ideology.
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« Reply #49 on: June 07, 2020, 10:17:29 PM »

There is a great deal of inequality in the UK but have to agree that it isn't down to racism.

South asians, in general terms, show that being from a different part of the world or being brown isn't as big an issue as culture.

If you look at the relative success /progress in economic terms of British Indians, Pakistanis, and Bangladeshis it's pretty obvious that race / colour isn't the issue
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« Reply #50 on: June 08, 2020, 08:16:59 AM »

There is a great deal of inequality in the UK but have to agree that it isn't down to racism.

South asians, in general terms, show that being from a different part of the world or being brown isn't as big an issue as culture.

If you look at the relative success /progress in economic terms of British Indians, Pakistanis, and Bangladeshis it's pretty obvious that race / colour isn't the issue

Good morning

There’s so much wrong with this. The stand out is probably the assertion that people can’t be more racist toward some minority groups than others.
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« Reply #51 on: June 08, 2020, 08:35:16 AM »

There is a great deal of inequality in the UK but have to agree that it isn't down to racism.

South asians, in general terms, show that being from a different part of the world or being brown isn't as big an issue as culture.

If you look at the relative success /progress in economic terms of British Indians, Pakistanis, and Bangladeshis it's pretty obvious that race / colour isn't the issue

Good morning

There’s so much wrong with this. The stand out is probably the assertion that people can’t be more racist toward some minority groups than others.


People seem to tolerate racism against Gypsies pretty well.

When did you last see a protest, or even a piece in a newspaper about that?

Perhaps I'm imagining it.
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« Reply #52 on: June 08, 2020, 08:41:57 AM »

There is a great deal of inequality in the UK but have to agree that it isn't down to racism.

South asians, in general terms, show that being from a different part of the world or being brown isn't as big an issue as culture.

If you look at the relative success /progress in economic terms of British Indians, Pakistanis, and Bangladeshis it's pretty obvious that race / colour isn't the issue

Good morning

There’s so much wrong with this. The stand out is probably the assertion that people can’t be more racist toward some minority groups than others.


People seem to tolerate racism against Gypsies pretty well.

When did you last see a protest, or even a piece in a newspaper about that?

Perhaps I'm imagining it.

There is racism in the UK.

There is less racism in the UK than the US, and probably less than most of the EU countries.

That is something to mark as some kind of achievement - but it doesn't make the racism that still exists here any better.

Just because we've done well at tackling racism, particularly in the latter part of the 20th century, doesn't mean that there isn't still more left to do.
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« Reply #53 on: June 08, 2020, 08:46:30 AM »

There is a great deal of inequality in the UK but have to agree that it isn't down to racism.

South asians, in general terms, show that being from a different part of the world or being brown isn't as big an issue as culture.

If you look at the relative success /progress in economic terms of British Indians, Pakistanis, and Bangladeshis it's pretty obvious that race / colour isn't the issue

Good morning

There’s so much wrong with this. The stand out is probably the assertion that people can’t be more racist toward some minority groups than others.


People seem to tolerate racism against Gypsies pretty well.

When did you last see a protest, or even a piece in a newspaper about that?

Perhaps I'm imagining it.

It seems to be the last bastion of racism that goes almost completely unchecked, even sadly amongst the relatively ‘woke’. Racism is only ignorance and we’ve been so lucky to have your contributions on this subject to the forum over the years, other people aren’t as fortunate, this doesn’t excuse their ignorance. The Stop Funding Hate guys seem to do good work on it imo but like so many things, we’re all at the mercy of the profile the media give an issue and how seriously a government will take it. Having a racist PM doesn’t help anyone, let’s hope we can bring about improvement regarding all forms of racism. I think and hope racism will be a big issue at the ballot box for decades.

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« Reply #54 on: June 08, 2020, 09:00:58 AM »

There is a great deal of inequality in the UK but have to agree that it isn't down to racism.

South asians, in general terms, show that being from a different part of the world or being brown isn't as big an issue as culture.

If you look at the relative success /progress in economic terms of British Indians, Pakistanis, and Bangladeshis it's pretty obvious that race / colour isn't the issue

Good morning

There’s so much wrong with this. The stand out is probably the assertion that people can’t be more racist toward some minority groups than others.


People seem to tolerate racism against Gypsies pretty well.

When did you last see a protest, or even a piece in a newspaper about that?

Perhaps I'm imagining it.

It seems to be the last bastion of racism that goes almost completely unchecked, even sadly amongst the relatively ‘woke’. Racism is only ignorance and we’ve been so lucky to have your contributions on this subject to the forum over the years, other people aren’t as fortunate, this doesn’t excuse their ignorance. The Stop Funding Hate guys seem to do good work on it imo but like so many things, we’re all at the mercy of the profile the media give an issue and how seriously a government will take it. Having a racist PM doesn’t help anyone, let’s hope we can bring about improvement regarding all forms of racism. I think and hope racism will be a big issue at the ballot box for decades.


When I say ‘almost completely unchallenged’, it gets challenged and called out by individuals but in my experience never seems to become less prevalent. I’d welcome any thoughts on what we can do, especially any way that people can help. I’m exploring what can be done via our trade unions on these issues, I’d be happy to share anything that might help.
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« Reply #55 on: June 08, 2020, 09:16:25 AM »

There is a great deal of inequality in the UK but have to agree that it isn't down to racism.

South asians, in general terms, show that being from a different part of the world or being brown isn't as big an issue as culture.

If you look at the relative success /progress in economic terms of British Indians, Pakistanis, and Bangladeshis it's pretty obvious that race / colour isn't the issue

Good morning

There’s so much wrong with this. The stand out is probably the assertion that people can’t be more racist toward some minority groups than others.


People seem to tolerate racism against Gypsies pretty well.

When did you last see a protest, or even a piece in a newspaper about that?

Perhaps I'm imagining it.

It seems to be the last bastion of racism that goes almost completely unchecked, even sadly amongst the relatively ‘woke’. Racism is only ignorance and we’ve been so lucky to have your contributions on this subject to the forum over the years, other people aren’t as fortunate, this doesn’t excuse their ignorance. The Stop Funding Hate guys seem to do good work on it imo but like so many things, we’re all at the mercy of the profile the media give an issue and how seriously a government will take it. Having a racist PM doesn’t help anyone, let’s hope we can bring about improvement regarding all forms of racism. I think and hope racism will be a big issue at the ballot box for decades.


When I say ‘almost completely unchallenged’, it gets challenged and called out by individuals but in my experience never seems to become less prevalent. I’d welcome any thoughts on what we can do, especially any way that people can help. I’m exploring what can be done via our trade unions on these issues, I’d be happy to share anything that might help.


People in my village who know that I'm a Gypsy say anti Gypsy things to me all the time without the slightest notion that It might give offence.

Our post office was robbed a couple of months ago, the police told the owner "It was probably Gypsies"
The owner proceeded to tell everyone else, including me, that it was Gypsies.

Earlier this year Channel 4 aired a programme called The Truth About Travellers and Crime. (Try getting away with that with using any other minority). A "friend" from the village, (a nice bloke actually) said, "Hey Tom, there was a programme on TV about your lot last night".
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« Reply #56 on: June 08, 2020, 09:45:54 AM »

Anyway, sorry for the derail. I blame car park Glen.
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« Reply #57 on: June 08, 2020, 09:49:57 AM »

There is a great deal of inequality in the UK but have to agree that it isn't down to racism.

South asians, in general terms, show that being from a different part of the world or being brown isn't as big an issue as culture.

If you look at the relative success /progress in economic terms of British Indians, Pakistanis, and Bangladeshis it's pretty obvious that race / colour isn't the issue

Good morning

There’s so much wrong with this. The stand out is probably the assertion that people can’t be more racist toward some minority groups than others.

Where do I assert that.. Sometimes Yr a complete fkn idiot
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« Reply #58 on: June 08, 2020, 09:52:09 AM »

My nickname at school was paki so I know what I'm talking about on all matters of race.
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« Reply #59 on: June 08, 2020, 10:00:52 AM »

My nickname at school was paki so I know what I'm talking about on all matters of race.

I don't really blame you Glenda.

I know you know, and I know you know I know.
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