What makes up ROI?

[WYSINWYG]

If someone is playing 50 dollars heads up sit and go and their Return On Investment is 25% how much of that is down to them and how much is variance? If someone played near perfect poker what would their ROI be roughly in this scenario, all other things equal?

[TheChipPrince]

have you had a cracking start to your heads-up career by any chance?!

Anything above 10% head-ups from more than 500+ games is impressive i'd say...

[bhoywonder]

Depends on the volume you play.beating the rake is tough enough hu.i would be happy with 10% above the rake.

[WYSINWYG]

have you had a cracking start to your heads-up career by any chance?!

Anything above 10% head-ups from more than 500+ games is impressive i'd say...

Yes thank you it's going pretty well. I have just been surfing around some other players stats. I see one heads up specialist is running at 11 percent, which is pretty good over.......wait for it.........27 million dollars wagered on one site. i suppose that is Heads Up multitabling, I dunno if I could do that...

[WYSINWYG]

Depends on the volume you play.beating the rake is tough enough hu.i would be happy with 10% above the rake.

Ah yes, I suppose I mean when the volume is large enough to give a sample where the natural variance between variance and skill is also accounted for.

I did not figure for rake, is that particularly bad for Heads Up? I only play tourneys. The rake in Heads Up cash just seems some kind of joke.

[AndrewT]

Depends on the volume you play.beating the rake is tough enough hu.i would be happy with 10% above the rake.

Ah yes, I suppose I mean when the volume is large enough to give a sample where the natural variance between variance and skill is also accounted for.

I did not figure for rake, is that particularly bad for Heads Up? I only play tourneys. The rake in Heads Up cash just seems some kind of joke.

Rake = Fee

It should be included - if you're playing $50 tourneys, you're actually paying $55, so should use that as your buy-in.

[kinboshi]

...and also include rakeback.

[Royal Flush]

Depends on the volume you play.beating the rake is tough enough hu.i would be happy with 10% above the rake.

Ah yes, I suppose I mean when the volume is large enough to give a sample where the natural variance between variance and skill is also accounted for.

I did not figure for rake, is that particularly bad for Heads Up? I only play tourneys. The rake in Heads Up cash just seems some kind of joke.

Rake = Fee

It should be included - if you're playing $50 tourneys, you're actually paying $55, so should use that as your buy-in.

$50+$5 for a HU game?!?! Nowhere charges 10% surely?

At the most $50+$2.5

As for the OP i played 3500 games on tribeca of HU 100$ and 200$ and ran at 21.6% which is ridic good, you won't be able to find games that easy any more nor will it be able to play as perfectly as that as the moves i was employing then just won't work now.

[AlexMartin]

Depends on the volume you play.beating the rake is tough enough hu.i would be happy with 10% above the rake.

Ah yes, I suppose I mean when the volume is large enough to give a sample where the natural variance between variance and skill is also accounted for.

I did not figure for rake, is that particularly bad for Heads Up? I only play tourneys. The rake in Heads Up cash just seems some kind of joke.

Rake = Fee

It should be included - if you're playing $50 tourneys, you're actually paying $55, so should use that as your buy-in.

$50+$5 for a HU game?!?! Nowhere charges 10% surely?

At the most $50+$2.5

As for the OP i played 3500 games on tribeca of HU 100$ and 200$ and ran at 21.6% which is ridic good, you won't be able to find games that easy any more nor will it be able to play as perfectly as that as the moves i was employing then just won't work now.

cmon, ship the goodies boss

[TheChipPrince]

Depends on the volume you play.beating the rake is tough enough hu.i would be happy with 10% above the rake.

Ah yes, I suppose I mean when the volume is large enough to give a sample where the natural variance between variance and skill is also accounted for.

I did not figure for rake, is that particularly bad for Heads Up? I only play tourneys. The rake in Heads Up cash just seems some kind of joke.

Rake = Fee

It should be included - if you're playing $50 tourneys, you're actually paying $55, so should use that as your buy-in.

$50+$5 for a HU game?!?! Nowhere charges 10% surely?

At the most $50+$2.5

As for the OP i played 3500 games on tribeca of HU 100$ and 200$ and ran at 21.6% which is ridic good, you won't be able to find games that easy any more nor will it be able to play as perfectly as that as the moves i was employing then just won't work now.

10% attainable at $50+?

[Royal Flush]

Depends on the volume you play.beating the rake is tough enough hu.i would be happy with 10% above the rake.

Ah yes, I suppose I mean when the volume is large enough to give a sample where the natural variance between variance and skill is also accounted for.

I did not figure for rake, is that particularly bad for Heads Up? I only play tourneys. The rake in Heads Up cash just seems some kind of joke.

Rake = Fee

It should be included - if you're playing $50 tourneys, you're actually paying $55, so should use that as your buy-in.

$50+$5 for a HU game?!?! Nowhere charges 10% surely?

At the most $50+$2.5

As for the OP i played 3500 games on tribeca of HU 100$ and 200$ and ran at 21.6% which is ridic good, you won't be able to find games that easy any more nor will it be able to play as perfectly as that as the moves i was employing then just won't work now.

cmon, ship the goodies boss

It was really simple stuff, raising every button was the starting point, its massively exploitable but they just never did.

[WYSINWYG]

Depends on the volume you play.beating the rake is tough enough hu.i would be happy with 10% above the rake.

Ah yes, I suppose I mean when the volume is large enough to give a sample where the natural variance between variance and skill is also accounted for.

I did not figure for rake, is that particularly bad for Heads Up? I only play tourneys. The rake in Heads Up cash just seems some kind of joke.

Rake = Fee

It should be included - if you're playing $50 tourneys, you're actually paying $55, so should use that as your buy-in.

$50+$5 for a HU game?!?! Nowhere charges 10% surely?

At the most $50+$2.5

As for the OP i played 3500 games on tribeca of HU 100$ and 200$ and ran at 21.6% which is ridic good, you won't be able to find games that easy any more nor will it be able to play as perfectly as that as the moves i was employing then just won't work now.

cmon, ship the goodies boss

It was really simple stuff, raising every button was the starting point, its massively exploitable but they just never did.

It's just such an unfair way to play poker.

I copy and paste this unedited from a game I played recently.

Villain: why you gotta raise every hand off the jump?

..............

Villain:  you didnt even hand anything

..............

Hero: its not about the cards

Villain: lol, ok dude you're going to lose

Hero: i don care about money
Villain: then just give it to me

Hero: this kind of money means little to me

Villain: wow, youre really predictable

Hero shows three of a kind, Jacks
Dealer: Hero wins the pot (1,120) with three of
a kind, Jacks

Hero: did u predict that

Villain: you just got lucky thats all. i had pocket aces, you just got lucky

.............
Villain: why do you raise every hand before the
cards? you're an idiot dude. youre an idiot that just gets lucky


Pissing off opponent always +EV

[FuglyBaz]

Depends on the volume you play.beating the rake is tough enough hu.i would be happy with 10% above the rake.

Ah yes, I suppose I mean when the volume is large enough to give a sample where the natural variance between variance and skill is also accounted for.

I did not figure for rake, is that particularly bad for Heads Up? I only play tourneys. The rake in Heads Up cash just seems some kind of joke.

Rake = Fee

It should be included - if you're playing $50 tourneys, you're actually paying $55, so should use that as your buy-in.

$50+$5 for a HU game?!?! Nowhere charges 10% surely?

At the most $50+$2.5

As for the OP i played 3500 games on tribeca of HU 100$ and 200$ and ran at 21.6% which is ridic good, you won't be able to find games that easy any more nor will it be able to play as perfectly as that as the moves i was employing then just won't work now.

cmon, ship the goodies boss

It was really simple stuff, raising every button was the starting point, its massively exploitable but they just never did.

It's just such an unfair way to play poker.

I copy and paste this unedited from a game I played recently.

Villain: why you gotta raise every hand off the jump?

..............

Villain:  you didnt even hand anything

..............

Hero: its not about the cards

Villain: lol, ok dude you're going to lose

Hero: i don care about money
Villain: then just give it to me

Hero: this kind of money means little to me

Villain: wow, youre really predictable

Hero shows three of a kind, Jacks
Dealer: Hero wins the pot (1,120) with three of
a kind, Jacks

Hero: did u predict that

Villain: you just got lucky thats all. i had pocket aces, you just got lucky

.............
Villain: why do you raise every hand before the
cards? you're an idiot dude. youre an idiot that just gets lucky


Pissing off opponent always +EV

I LOL'd!