Speach play - bad manners, poor play or just plain wrong??

[Newmanseye]

Quick question, I cant quite grasp the reason why players lose their cool when some one uses a bit of speach play, I happen to like speach play ( not rub downs mind  ) its part of my game, however i seem to find that the ..... OLD timers have a problem with it.

The question is this, Speach play, should it be allowed, or is it a big no no???

[thetank]

A big no no coz you slow up the game you big fanny.

Get an internal monologue 

[HarlemShuffle]

I'm in two minds over this one to be honest. It is not done in other games like chess and snooker etc. but I guess it is a little different. I guess the opposite to speech play, should you be allowed to zip yourself up under your coat, hide under the table or go off to the toilet while the other person thinks? Anyway, with speech play the other person always has the option not to answer and ignore the player that’s doing it.

[matt674]

Its probably because up until about 18 months ago all forms of speech play were banned at the table. Different card rooms probably have different rules now on what isnt allowed and what is allowed but i would guess that most players are still so used to all speech play being banned that they have a problem with it when it occurs.

Thanks to online poker taking off in a big way most players who started by playing online think its part and parcel of the game. Unfortunately online there is no-one to immediately police any comments made and so things can be said that shouldnt be allowed and can only be reported at a later ti me. Its trying to find a happy medium that keeps everybody happy.

And there in lies the problem - you cant keep all the people happy all the time.........

[HarlemShuffle]

Has anyone heard of this rule? I don't know if it is an actual rule of the casino but the person who told me said it was. They reckon that you were allowed to tell the players what hand you had but you weren't allowed to say the truth. I know, it doesn't make sense. So for example if you had pocket queens, say, you were allowed to tell the table you were holding pocket 10s but if you said pocket queens then you would be breaking the rules. How stupid is that? Has anyone heard that before. If that was a rule I haven't got a clue how they would police it!

[AndrewT]

Has anyone heard of this rule? I don't know if it is an actual rule of the casino but the person who told me said it was. They reckon that you were allowed to tell the players what hand you had but you weren't allowed to say the truth. I know, it doesn't make sense. So for example if you had pocket queens, say, you were allowed to tell the table you were holding pocket 10s but if you said pocket queens then you would be breaking the rules. How stupid is that? Has anyone heard that before. If that was a rule I haven't got a clue how they would police it!

I've heard the opposite - if you make any claims about your own cards, you'd better be telling the truth otherwise you lose the pot.

[Newmanseye]

OK here's an example or two

" why are you betting, I know you have not got the flush" or "No big card on the flop, you're in trouble"


It's friendly and goes with the banter, however I dont see where a person would have a problem.

As for revealing my hole cards, I'd never do that, as far as I know if you do your hand is dead.

[TightEnd]

Talking about Live play, I think Speech play can be utilised very effectively. Players like Phil Peters, Neil Channing etc are masters at extracting a call when they want one.

Of course this doesn't extend to abuse or belittling someone but I enjoy that aspect of the game

[AceofWands]

I think that making comments on the the hand in progress for the sole reason of trying to put your opponent off is just plain wrong and should not be part of the game.  I can't think of any other supposed game of skill where such behaviour would be allowed.

[Newmanseye]

Of course this doesn't extend to abuse or belittling someone but I enjoy that aspect of the game

I'd never belittle someone at the table, that's just bad form IMHO, When I use speach play its either to get or to drive action away, I'd never go down the road that you see the likes of Tony G using, when you start that trash talk with the rubdowns and the general verbal abuse I think its time you take a break from the game.

[thetank]

" why are you betting, I know you have not got the flush" or "No big card on the flop, you're in trouble"

you slow up the game you big fanny.

 

[Junior Senior]

Rub downs and chirps and insults = NO!

Speach Play, banter etc. = Deffo Yes. - its part of the game.

[turny]

personally i love speech play and think as long as you are involved in the hand you can say what you want.(no insults )
but if youve already folded you should stay silent.

you should also not encourage others to call when you more than heads up.

speech play makes the game more fun and if you are good at it it adds an extra element to your game and is just another form of bluffing.

alas not many casinos or cardrooms allow it so i have to stick to inthebelly organised nights for speech play.

[shortstack_itb]

I often find I'm over come by a bit of verbal sometimes....infact alot of the time! I enjoy it and it doesn't piss of many people, a god player wont listen anyway....most the time im chatting at a table its cuz im discussing my bad beats....I can be there all night!!

[turny]

yeah ive got shortstack off many a pot with a bit of verbal