Structures at the Vic

[TightEnd]

The below is part of a post reproduced from the Vic Day1a Live update


 
Rolandinho05 (who is WPT winner Roland DeWolfe)

    Re: £1500 European Poker Classic at the Vic - LIVE UPDATE DAY1A
« Reply #234 on: Today at 01:58:19 am »     


And yes the devilfish is right- what a bad event. Ten handed tables and a structure that is diabolical. Where were the 75-150 and 150-300 levels? whats the point of two day start for the event if u structure it like that. Again players treated like total dogs. It is  a crapshoot- just three hours in and its 2000 to go and 5000 to reraise. Great skill!

Why cant we have decent events?

John Duthies Monte Carlo EPT final showed the way and the Deauville event was not far behind.

Total joke from the Vic.




These comments are mirrored by a lot of players on this update, including devilfish, dpommo and others...eg "the structure is an absolute farce"


My questions are these:

Why do so many players (satellite winners aside) chose to stump up for these events at the Vic?

How can the Vic be persuaded to put on slower structures if the players still turn up in droves?

Why, if you set aside two days for Day 1, play down to 27 on day 2 and then have a final day do you not have levels such as 75-150 and 150-300?

The EPT structures are now allowing for significantly more play than they did in EPT season 1....there's no excuse


As an aside, it is not just the huge events that are badly structured at the Vic...the regular freezeouts start with quick clocks and fewer chips than comparable comps elsewhere...so much so that I have told myself I am staying away until it changes.

[turny]

this is certainly a problem but until people start voteing with there feet and refuse to enter these events nothing will change.

£1500 entry for a glorified crapshoot is a joke, we have better structures in our regular friday night £30 freezeouts.

unfortunatly some casinos that run poker are in it for the money only and just want players out so they go and play the gaming tables etc. they dont care about the game of poker or the players.

its a shame but until some places are boycotted it wont change.

[M3boy]

GREAT POST Mr End..

Couldnt of put it better myself, and indeed I said the VERY SAME thing last time The Vic held a big event, and went and played the Gutshot Sporting Odds event instead. - We need more and more people to do this, unless it aint never changing

Look at the pressure that was put on Napoleans in Sheffield? They had a rule whereby you couldnt pre register for a tourney, which ment getting to the casino 5 hours before a comp started just to buy in!! (The idea being that you then have 5 hours to kill to waste money on the gaming tables) This has now been changed due to some severe pressure.

As for me? Well I was a $100 satelite qualifier, so I am all geared up today to play it like an internet MTT - Wish me luck

[charmaine]

Good luck 

[Rod Paradise]

GREAT POST Mr End..

Couldnt of put it better myself, and indeed I said the VERY SAME thing last time The Vic held a big event.

As for me? Well I was a $100 satelite qualifier, so I am all geared up today to play it like an internet MTT - Wish me luck

Go on M3 - just win it!!!

[Graham C]

Good luck M3

[RED-DOG]

I have to say I thought the blind structure was farcical for a big buy-in, prestege, ranking event

In answer to your question, I would not have payed good money to play such a crapshoot, nor will I in the future, I was there on a sattellite and I still felt like I was being robbed

Why, for instance, were the first two levels only 45 minutes?

Why was there no 75/150 or 150/300 levels?

Why was a running antie introduced so early?

Why did the management ignore the fact that EVERYONE was complaining?

Than to cap it all, after doing their best to eliminate most of the field, they suspend play an hour early because otherwise there would not be enough players coming back on Saturday

I am a big believer in voting with my feet, so until things change, I won't be going back

I'm sure they won't lose much sleep over my absence from future Vic festivals, but it's the best I can do

Gone are the days when we had no choice, there are well run festivals on every week these days, I'll be putting my money where it's most appreciated

[TightEnd]

Than to cap it all, after doing their best to eliminate most of the field, they suspend play an hour early because otherwise there would not be enough players coming back on Saturday

you couldn't make it up 


Excellent post RED...You and me, boycotting, against the World!!


p.s Good luck tomorrow when you get busy!!

[Newmanseye]

Than to cap it all, after doing their best to eliminate most of the field, they suspend play an hour early because otherwise there would not be enough players coming back on Saturday

you couldn't make it up 


Excellent post RED...You and me, boycotting, against the World!!


p.s Good luck tomorrow when you get busy!!

Add my name to the boycott.




Not that i would ever attend an event at the Vic after such a review.

[ripple11]

Some great points made..... and since they read the Forum,could these please be put to the Vic via  last night sponsors.....Blue Square. ??

Good luck M3 and Red.....I've got you both at 125/1 .....(.each way so no pressure )

[snoopy1239]

I have to say I thought the blind structure was farcical for a big buy-in, prestege, ranking event

In answer to your question, I would not have payed good money to play such a crapshoot, nor will I in the future, I was there on a sattellite and I still felt like I was being robbed

Why, for instance, were the first two levels only 45 minutes?

Why was there no 75/150 or 150/300 levels?

Why was a running antie introduced so early?

Why did the management ignore the fact that EVERYONE was complaining?

Than to cap it all, after doing their best to eliminate most of the field, they suspend play an hour early because otherwise there would not be enough players coming back on Saturday

I am a big believer in voting with my feet, so until things change, I won't be going back

I'm sure they won't lose much sleep over my absence from future Vic festivals, but it's the best I can do

Gone are the days when we had no choice, there are well run festivals on every week these days, I'll be putting my money where it's most appreciated

As blonde grows, I hope they start to take notice.

[Slick Kid]

I have been playing live now for 3 months, l know some of u will say " whos he to be saying anything" but l have planned turning Professional for nearly 18 months ensuring l had the bankroll etc.

My first visit to the well touted "Vic Cardroom" was for the £750 FO on Monday and it was my worst experience yet closely followed by a 40 minute fight to get a seat in the 500euro FO at the Deauville EPT. It was terrible. First l had to go buy a shirt, the car park was full and the Card Room was a disorganised load of ********   ***** ******* ******* ******. We had to deal our own satallites after paying juice, the food was bad and then l had to wait 40 mins for a drink in the game. The starting stack was crap and the blind/ante structure was incompetent.

I'm on my way now for the Main Event but its only as l paid for it ages ago and it is invaluble experience, but l will not be back..................unless it changes.


Short and Sweet.

[ripple11]

Some great points made..... and since they read the Forum,could these please be put to the Vic via  last night sponsors.....Blue Square. ??

Good luck M3 and Red.....I've got you both at 125/1 .....(.each way so no pressure )

Incidently, the guy who sat next to me to start lasted all of 10 mins....and paid in full!!   ouch !!!!

[TightEnd]

Part of the problem is the cash game scene at the Vic is so well established....eight or so tables a night with lengthy waiting lists.......not only the Michael Arnolds and Neil Channings making a good living in there but a steady supply of tourists and assorted players keeping the games juicy.

the management can concentrate on this thriving area of thier business and have no real motivation to keep the tournament punters happy. Many people go there, play the tournaments fast in the knowledge that they can get in a juicy cash game.

Its no excuse, but it is the reason why the Vic has never had to change.

[ripple11]

Thats very true Tightend....thats why maybe pressure should be put on the "sponsors" last night.They had several reps there, their advertising everywhere,(including the chips!)......if they want people to play this event they should listen and respond.

Incidently,the Vic have picked up on what the Sportsman are doing, and are now doing a £250 nl tourney on a Monday night with a free 2 course meal !!