Getting low in Tourney- Gambling v waiting for a better hand?

[Woodsey]

General thoughts on this please, I've always hated getting too low in a tourney and would prefer to gamble than get much below 7-8 BB's

Here's an example from a tourney I played to day. blind are 800/1600 200 ante, I'm in the BB with 12000 before the blinds/ante's are in, I have KJ ss.

Cut off flat calls, button makes it 6000 to go (average activity from him), sb folds. I decided to ship and got called by the raiser who had AK, gg me.

General thoughts on shipping with this sort of marginal hand v waiting please?

[paulhouk03]

jam when they have FE

[Longy]

It is all maths based around ranges once you get short, not really a case of waiting or gambling. Fwiw most ppl wait too long, call too light and shove too tight.

In this situation all about your read on the button, fwiw his bet sizing looks like he is a poor player and that kj isn't the snap jam it is against a comptent player whose range should be wide here.

[MC]

Meh, KJss seems fine given the money in the pot from the limper.

But yeah Longy is right u can fold if it's a nit button I guess.

[Longy]

Whoops missed the limper, his sizing is ok then!

[cambridgealex]

Yeh I'd fold this here. Get it in with fold equity like paul said. I'd be much happier jamming 7bigs the next hand bvb with Q2 than jamming kj here.

[SuuPRlim]

It is all maths based around ranges once you get short, not really a case of waiting or gambling. Fwiw most ppl wait too long, call too light and shove too tight.

pretty much ended the thread.  +1

[baltic_blonde]

Yeh I'd fold this here. Get it in with fold equity like paul said. I'd be much happier jamming 7bigs the next hand bvb with Q2 than jamming kj here.

+1

[dakky]

Yeh I'd fold this here. Get it in with fold equity like paul said. I'd be much happier jamming 7bigs the next hand bvb with Q2 than jamming kj here.

+1

vs an average reg who will call somewhat correctly BVB, what is the maximum number of bigs you guys will jam with ATC (assuming antes)? I know this question can easily be answered with "it depends"...

Would you say that the Sklansky/Chubukov hand charts optimum (haven't looked at these for years, I remember them being a bit of a mess)? Are the Nash charts best? Nash has us pushing J3ss with 10.5bb but folding with 11. In-play I jam larger stacks for sure...

[ScottMGee]

I that spot, I think your options are: -

1) fold
2) Stop and go, with then some fold equity on the flop
3) Shove, with no fold equity

I prefer 2, but can live with 1 or 3