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Too many negative comments around tonight.

A record that has stood for 45 years, he may not have been the best England player ever be he has been bloody good.

We have been an awful international team over the last 12 Years yes he has scored against weak teams but so what we have had no other stickers in this time step up.

He's also going to score a lot more goals I think.

Hi, and Harry Kane could hopefully provide some fun over the next few years.

Shame we are so boring to watch

what do you think a decent line is for the over/under on total England goals for Rooney?

I think 70 is almost too high...

Retire after the next World Cup? I would say maybe 63

bet365 have over 59.5 at 5/6 fwiw. 7/1 over 70.5 goals.

retires after the 2018 world cup, from international football?

so he has fitness permitting warm ups, the euros, world cup qualifying and the world cup to play

lets say thats 25 games assuming 1-2 knockout games in each major tournament after the groups

he has 50 goals in 107 games

now on pens, and wasn't when gerrard was playing

so lets say another 12-13 goals in those 25 games to come, or 1 in 2 allowing for pens

takes him to 62-3?

Guess it would depend on him slowing down on the friendlies as he gets older, and how well Sturridge/Kane bed into the side?

~60 seems about right though.

I thought there's probably a decent amount of goals in the ludicrously easy qualifying group we got ;)

65 seems a lot though, you're right.

He's likely to hold all the records by the time he retires, and has probably underachieved, too.

Massively under achieved.

I don't think Harry Kane is as good as last season suggested either.

Painfully over rated player.

Anonymous in the big tournaments/against good opposition. Only 6 goals at 6 major tournaments (3 WCs, 3 Euros) speaks volumes.

The general consensus on a United forum (red café) seems to be that he is over the hill already at just 29. But his 300k a week contract until 2019 means they are stuck with him into his twilight years.

I'll admit I'm a big fan of Rooney but I think people are writing him off a bit early at 29!!!
I do think he probably hasn't achieved what he should have at international level but he's still a terrific footballer. The same sentence could be said about Lionel Messi.
As for the £300k per week, I did think at the time it was a big mistake giving him such a big contract well into his 30s but in a years time when that tv money comes in, £300k won't seem so big. In 3 years, it'll be nothing.

No doubt he's a brilliant footballer, but not sure he's most suited to being the main striker anymore. Would he not be better utilised in a CAM role, sat behind the striker(s)?

Wasn't he coming off the back of a significant injury for at least two, maybe three, of the major tournaments? I still accept he never quite brought it to those comps, but he probably has a half decent excuse.

Looks like he will also eventually set the record for caps too.

He's looked awful for Man U this season

Don't really understand why people focus on Rooney being 29.  He has the miles on the clock of a player in his early/mid 30s given the amount of games he has played at the top level since a very early age in his career.  His performances naturally should be starting to regress given this mileage imo.  No point saying 'i got an 12 plate BMW with 350k miles on the clock'.  It is effectively the age of a 05 plate wear and tear wise.

I don't really buy into the fact he has under achieved either in his career.  He has played on a bang average England team which performed to it's level pretty much throughout his career (ie last 16 of major events - where they should finish).  He has won everything he can club wise with Manure.  He probably hasn't over achieved but pretty hard to say he has under achieved.

ITV put up a caption last night of all the teams he has scored against at international level.  There are not as many 'soft' goals as you would imagine in the list of teams either.  Numerous goals against the big international sides.

6 penalties
10% of goals vs san marino
5 in euro finals
1 in world cup finals
14 in friendlies
30 in qualifying, qualifying has mainly been vs shit teams hasnt it

Did we see different captions?  Maybe around 7 goals were against teams Id say were top class.  The majority of the goals were scored against sides that have barely qualified for a major tournament in Rooneys lifetime between them and lots that never will in Rooneys lifetime.  Personally I think he really hasnt done it on the big stage and although he's had a good career at club level I think he's come nowhere near fulfilling the potential he showed when he broke through at Everton and in his early Man Utd days

Suppose it depends if you think he has the natural talent/athleticism of the players you think he is up there with.  ie Ronaldo and Messi.  He is nowhere near either of these talent wise or athletically.  Probably his biggest weakness is his lifestyle.  Smoking/drinking/off the pitch issues shagging hookers etc have all held him back at the very top level. You only have to look at Rooney's mum and dad to see what his natural physique should be like so he was up against it from the start athletically.   I just don't think Rooney is up there talent wise with the all time greats so think he has had a career in line with his talent.  Couple of my non punting mates actually think he has over achieved relative to his talent in terms of records/trophies/wages/contracts hoovered.

International scoring records are bollocks, because the opposition is so varied and sample size.

For something like Premier League records there's a minimum standard of team you're up against.

Rooney has rarely cut it for England (but then again, which players have played for England at the same level they have for their club?)

It is quite likely he ends his career all time leader in England goals/appearances, all time record Manure goalscorer and maybe even all time EPL all time scorer ahead of Shearer.  He has won every club competition in the game, most several times before the age of 28.  How good do you think he should have been if you think he has under acheived?

He has played on a piss poor England team for the vast majority of his career which he can't control.  In before Maradona had the same.  Rooney isn't anywhere near that level for me.

No chance of 75 goals to reach Shearer surely

Unlikely but not impossible.

What do you think is a fair price that he could?

I like the under, but I think he end close to Shearer assuming no major injuries or transfers.

Very tough to price it up.  Depends if he fancies a couple of years signing off at Everton.  That would be the big factor for me.  Surely he will want to go back there and play for his boyhood club when Manure have booted him out.  As i said before he is a 'very old' 29 miles on the clock wise.  Add in his off the field activities and gene pool it isn't likely he ages well relative to an average EPL player imo.  He would be a decent priced under dog to achieve it though.  Probably about 20% likely to achieve it.

Was going to say, that will be the deciding factor. He could farm 5/10 a year somewhere for a few years, which might help hit it, as long as he has another few years at United.

I reckon he's more likely to play the contract out, and then morph into his old man.

I hope Everton tell him to clear off if he tries to angle a move back there at the end of his contract. They won't of course, but I'm sure we'd all like to see them take that stance.

I can see the vomit inducing headlines already.....'Fairytale reunion for Rooney and Everton'......fuck off.

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that 6/1 looks a big price to me playing after teh 2018 WC given he said he would never retire from int football.

Under a different manager, I genuinely hope not. Begrudgingly I'd concede he's had a good career and been one of England's best players in that time. But, to me,  his ball control and link up play seem really quite terrible these days. On the other hand I suppose, despite recent results we have to be the worse we've been for a long time so perhaps it is good value

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We look at whether Wayne Rooney is holding Manchester United back http://wscrd.co/RooForm 

Think LVG has been pretty ruthless at United with the exception of Rooney. He hasn't delivered so far. Might be time to give Mata/Depay or even Fellani the role behind Martial

United fans will know better than me but I can't help but feel Rooney  will be hating LVG and his system. Past his use by date or playing in a straitjacket? Love to know what Rooney really thinks.

It's tough to know.  Rooney got the miles on the clock of a normal 34 year old EPL player and hasn't looked after his body on top over the years with the fags etc.  No surprise to see his decline even though he is only 30.

I don't think there will be any ego issues with him taking a back seat as the main man unlike so many other super stars.  He has his £300k a week banked for the next few seasons so i am sure he will be the 'team player' he always says he is moving forward.