Big 33- Turn 2pair and get minraised

[rfgqqabc]

No Limit Holdem Tournament 
PokerStars 
8 Players 
Hand Conversion Powered by http://weaktight.com/ 
$30+$3 
 
Stacks: 
UTG  Jiminik9 2,340 59bb 
UTG+1  belloss13 3,000 75bb 
MP1  KP001 2,695 67bb 
MP2  TakeRisks 5,500 138bb 
CO  simonMV999 3,580 90bb 
BTN  Omoschan90 4,260 107bb 
SB  vovan123456 4,550 114bb 
BB  CarlisleUtd8 1,620 41bb 
 
Blinds: 20/40 
 
Pre-Flop: (60, 8 players) TakeRisks is MP2  
3 folds, TakeRisks raises to 120, simonMV999 calls 120, 3 folds 
 
Flop: (300, 2 players) 
TakeRisks bets 120, simonMV999 calls 120 
 
Turn: (540, 2 players) 
TakeRisks bets 400, simonMV999 raises to 800 
 
What would you do and why? 6 hands in and pretty much readless. He is blocked from search and pretty much insta raised
 

[the rage]

Personally, i would elect to call the raise. Villian may well have a straight, but he could also have a flush draw, say  and is raising to try and semi bluff you off it. You have four outs to the full house, with good implied odds if you do happen to hit it.
 I would then probably check / call the river, unless a spade lands, which would make me more likely to fold to a big bet.
 I would probably go for a check raise if we hit the full house, because i think that villian will probably bet again with or without a hand.

[the rage]

just having a stab by the way. Not really got much idea about these spots. Would villian really raise so small with a straight here?
not so sure. still think a semi-bluff more likely

[outragous76]

Never folding here

I mean he has Kj as often as he has 55 . Peel and reassess

[rfgqqabc]

Never folding here

I mean he has Kj as often as he has 55 . Peel and reassess

Basically my thoughts were jam or call/reassess

I ended up calling and having to fold on a river, but I wondered if jamming was better, much more 2pair/bluff combos than 55 so surely a jam is better ott right?

[Pugwashed]

http://www.officialpokerrankings.com/pokerstars/simonMV999/poker/results/4989128168A548C58B2C7BCA2B8DCCBD.html?t=2

With OPR as my only read, I think I might fold. He's bluffing precisely 0% of the time and its pretty thin but from looking at an OPR like that I think there's a pretty good chance he's not raising KJ on the turn and raises the flop a huge % of the time with it anyway. Vs a complete random I might just go all in as you see them do all sorts of dumb stuff with just top pair and worse 2pairs but just looking at OPR I'd be suprised if that was the case with him

Am I too much of a nit?

[rfgqqabc]

http://www.officialpokerrankings.com/pokerstars/simonMV999/poker/results/4989128168A548C58B2C7BCA2B8DCCBD.html?t=2

With OPR as my only read, I think I might fold. He's bluffing precisely 0% of the time and its pretty thin but from looking at an OPR like that I think there's a pretty good chance he's not raising KJ on the turn and raises the flop a huge % of the time with it anyway. Vs a complete random I might just go all in as you see them do all sorts of dumb stuff with just top pair and worse 2pairs but just looking at OPR I'd be suprised if that was the case with him

Am I too much of a nit?

I'm 100% sure i was winning on the turn, especially after action in other hands. In fact, i busted him when i raise ATo, he flats, bb flats. Comes AcT9c and i cbet, he minraises, bb flats, i jam, he calls with AJ and bb has KTcc, and we hold.

edit: thats clear aftertiming though, I think he had some really retarded shit here, but real tough spot in a vacuum
Got to be very close between call/call and jam the turn though right?

[muckthenuts]

http://www.officialpokerrankings.com/pokerstars/simonMV999/poker/results/4989128168A548C58B2C7BCA2B8DCCBD.html?t=2

With OPR as my only read, I think I might fold. He's bluffing precisely 0% of the time and its pretty thin but from looking at an OPR like that I think there's a pretty good chance he's not raising KJ on the turn and raises the flop a huge % of the time with it anyway. Vs a complete random I might just go all in as you see them do all sorts of dumb stuff with just top pair and worse 2pairs but just looking at OPR I'd be suprised if that was the case with him

Am I too much of a nit?

I'm with you on folding. Doesn't make any sense at all for him to raise with KJ/semi bluffs if he didn't raise the flop.