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Title: Whats your move and why..................
Post by: M3boy on April 12, 2007, 04:24:30 AM
No bad beat story here, the outcome is irrelevant to the question.

Situation is a £500 nlh event with 45 minute clock and slow blind structure.

Blinds now 300 600 with 25 ante.

UTG has lost well over half his stack and is down to 5200 and moves all in.

Folded to you in mid/late position. You have 12000 chips. Later positions do not have more than 20000

You look down to see 10 10.

Fold or Push?


Title: Re: Whats your move and why..................
Post by: Horneris on April 12, 2007, 05:44:36 AM
Given the size of the blinds in relation to stacks definetly push for me, without much doubt.

His range is obv huge given his stack size and the fact that hes BB next hand.


Title: Re: Whats your move and why..................
Post by: UpTheMariners on April 12, 2007, 06:04:43 AM
any info on the player?


Title: Re: Whats your move and why..................
Post by: Royal Flush on April 12, 2007, 06:17:22 AM
any info on the player?

Would have to be known rock to pass this to him.


Title: Re: Whats your move and why..................
Post by: boldie on April 12, 2007, 08:46:02 AM
No bad beat story here, the outcome is irrelevant to the question.

Situation is a £500 nlh event with 45 minute clock and slow blind structure.

Blinds now 300 600 with 25 ante.

UTG has lost well over half his stack and is down to 5200 and moves all in.

Folded to you in mid/late position. You have 12000 chips. Later positions do not have more than 20000

You look down to see 10 10.

Fold or Push?

If I thought any of the players behind were looking happy with him moving all in I'd fold. Otherwise I'd move in, you can't pass this to the short stack unless, like Flushy said, he's a rock and you know he's been waiting for a big hand for ages.


Title: Re: Whats your move and why..................
Post by: Zebediah on April 12, 2007, 09:53:00 AM
Definitely one of those "had to be there" situations. Info is very limited here regarding the feel of the table.

But working blind with info given I would probably fold, this is possibly a small pair push, but if he has pushed with any 2 big cards you are gambling especially with players to act after you. I don't feel you need to gamble just yet.


Title: Re: Whats your move and why..................
Post by: b4matt on April 12, 2007, 12:04:46 PM
I had this exact situation last year in the 1k euro at city west. I pushed from the sb, the bb who had me covered insta called with AA the fish, and took us both out..... doh!
I probably call here, rather than push but, really i can't say.... i'm so weak.


Title: Re: Whats your move and why..................
Post by: temp0r on April 12, 2007, 03:20:12 PM
i don't think the blinds coming at him next hand have much to do with his push. he has almost 9 BB here. which is still a decent amount. given this i don't think you beat much of his range by enough to call off half your stack at this stage with a mid-pair.


Title: Re: Whats your move and why..................
Post by: Bazzaboy on April 12, 2007, 04:41:54 PM
On the face of it it looks like a pretty standard push to me


Title: Re: Whats your move and why..................
Post by: Royal Flush on April 12, 2007, 05:42:56 PM
His range here is being crushed by our TT. (unless he is a rock)

I can never understand when people say he has a mid pair or overs and then say they would pass, you either think you are miles ahead or a little bit ahead, it's never good to pass!


Title: Re: Whats your move and why..................
Post by: M3boy on April 12, 2007, 06:20:16 PM
Nice replies guys.

Having lost my first 5000 2 hands before the forced double chance add on - (watch Sky Poker on Monday to see how AND who!!) I had been solid grinding my way back to just over 10k.

I decided that I would "gamble" here to gain even more chips and then progress from there.

Still not convinced it was the correct move to push, and views of some Pro's there last night, the feedback from them is mixed aswell.


Title: Re: Whats your move and why..................
Post by: The_nun on April 12, 2007, 06:26:58 PM
I would have to fold here. He's putting you in for half your stack, your postion mid to late says a re-raise possible. J's Q's has you. ..A fold for me. But then .. i am a rock..


Title: Re: Whats your move and why..................
Post by: AlexMartin on April 14, 2007, 08:31:58 AM
Correct reply is to push. I dont give a fuck what the pro's say, long term your equity is + here. The results of one comp dont mean it aint right.


Title: Re: Whats your move and why..................
Post by: Royal Flush on April 14, 2007, 03:05:05 PM
Alex he means circuit 'pros' aka life time losers with lots of money behind them!


Title: Re: Whats your move and why..................
Post by: M3boy on April 14, 2007, 09:43:51 PM
Alex he means circuit 'pros' aka life time losers with lots of money behind them!

"lifetime loosers" hmmmmmmmmmmm Im sure they will be interested in your point of view,,,,, not

How to make enemies lesson 1 by Royal Flush


Title: Re: Whats your move and why..................
Post by: GlasgowBandit on April 15, 2007, 12:30:59 PM
I think this is a fold for me as well.  I don't want to be getting hallf my stack in by calling with TT.  I would probably treat the situation differently if i was acting first.  Its possible he could have a smaller pair or even AK, AQ, AJ and is looking to scoop the blinds or at worse get into a race.  I hope when you take him on he has a small pair that doesn't improve.


Title: Re: Whats your move and why..................
Post by: Boba Fett on April 15, 2007, 12:46:42 PM
It would be situational for me too but I dont think his range is too huge, he's pushing UTG and probably expects a call from somewhere.  Has he pushed his short stack at all yet?

He could have a smaller pair but I reckon you're 50/50 at best


Title: Re: Whats your move and why..................
Post by: Royal Flush on April 15, 2007, 04:37:07 PM
Alex he means circuit 'pros' aka life time losers with lots of money behind them!

"lifetime loosers" hmmmmmmmmmmm Im sure they will be interested in your point of view,,,,, not

How to make enemies lesson 1 by Royal Flush

How many of the so called 'pros' actually make money from poker?


Title: Re: Whats your move and why..................
Post by: GlasgowBandit on April 15, 2007, 04:38:26 PM
Alex he means circuit 'pros' aka life time losers with lots of money behind them!

"lifetime loosers" hmmmmmmmmmmm Im sure they will be interested in your point of view,,,,, not

How to make enemies lesson 1 by Royal Flush

How many of the so called 'pros' actually make money from poker?

Fight, fight, fight!!



Title: Re: Whats your move and why..................
Post by: M3boy on April 15, 2007, 11:21:23 PM
Alex he means circuit 'pros' aka life time losers with lots of money behind them!

"lifetime loosers" hmmmmmmmmmmm Im sure they will be interested in your point of view,,,,, not

How to make enemies lesson 1 by Royal Flush

How many of the so called 'pros' actually make money from poker?

I dont know James, ask them next time you see them,,, amongst others there was :

Carlo C
Simon N
Dave C
Micky W
Joe G
Willie T

Im sure they will like being called "life time loosers"