2013/14 Ashes thread

[gouty]

I fkn love Mondays off. What a day!

Gave up on 13th at noon today due to our 3 ball running out of Thatchers and cricket looking tasty.

Lunch followed by all that juicy ashes in the pub.

One of us lumped on England after the Clarke ball and that made for a great afternoon. What a ball from Broad that was.

I was at Lords for the Monday v SA last year which was a superb day out too. Mondays are fun days.

[Tal]

Re today's debate, if it's Umpire's call, the referring team shouldn't lose a review.

In tennis, a player can challenge out of hope or for a breather and can get lucky because it's 1mm on the line. The decision is it's either in our out and the challenges follow.

In cricket, the review process is to stop the bad decisions, in contrast to the Hawkeye in tennis or football. So, if it's clipping leg, that's one the umpires shouldn't really give, so it's right that the review doesn't overturn the on-field decision. But a reviewing bowler can feel hard done by if he's asking for a referral, is told the ball was hitting the stumps and loses a review.

It needs tweaking.

[AndrewT]

eg its just clipping leg stump. if given not out it stays not out. umpire lifts finger, challenge, stays out. Don't beleive its right to penalise the challenging team in addition to the wicket

DRS is for howlers. You challenge a marginal decision you deserve to lose one if you're wrong. You take the risk you pay the penalty.

Sandy

I agree with this - the DRS is supposed to be when you are sure the umpire has it wrong. If it's umpire's call then, by definition, it's not definite.

[TightEnd]

Re today's debate, if it's Umpire's call, the referring team shouldn't lose a review.

In tennis, a player can challenge out of hope or for a breather and can get lucky because it's 1mm on the line. The decision is it's either in our out and the challenges follow.

In cricket, the review process is to stop the bad decisions, in contrast to the Hawkeye in tennis or football. So, if it's clipping leg, that's one the umpires shouldn't really give, so it's right that the review doesn't overturn the on-field decision. But a reviewing bowler can feel hard done by if he's asking for a referral, is told the ball was hitting the stumps and loses a review.

It needs tweaking.

this is my point.

I do accept that many players on both teams challenge when they shouldn't, sometimes because of the importance of the wicket/player to the match situation

[AndrewT]

Re today's debate, if it's Umpire's call, the referring team shouldn't lose a review.

In tennis, a player can challenge out of hope or for a breather and can get lucky because it's 1mm on the line. The decision is it's either in our out and the challenges follow.

In cricket, the review process is to stop the bad decisions, in contrast to the Hawkeye in tennis or football. So, if it's clipping leg, that's one the umpires shouldn't really give, so it's right that the review doesn't overturn the on-field decision. But a reviewing bowler can feel hard done by if he's asking for a referral, is told the ball was hitting the stumps and loses a review.

It needs tweaking.

Umpire's call doesn't mean it's hitting. It means that some of the projected paths of the ball would hit the stumps, some of the paths won't.

[gouty]

I thought it was if its marginal, like half a balls width, they stick with on field umpires decision. Whether out or not out?

Some very good original decisions in that session too I thought.

[vegaslover]

My view is that DRS is for howlers, far too often teams make tactical reviews hoping to get lucky. Umpires call is there as hawkeye is only a prediction of the future path the ball takes.
If you risk a review that's the chance you take imo.


On another point, how much is DRS changing scores in the game? Far more decisions are now being given out where previously the batsman would still be in. Spinners and lbw in particular!

[Woodsey]

I think DRS is ok, sure its not perfect and will get better, but the bottom line is there are more correct decisions being made than before. I quite like the drama of it also.

[BorntoBubble]

I think DRS is ok, sure its not perfect and will get better, but the bottom line is there are more correct decisions being made than before. I quite like the drama of it also.

This is huge for crowd participation in test matches. Dull afternoon then suddenly big appeal and ump gives it not out even if it stays not out this lifts the crowd massively and much more than if it was say big appeal then given not out then next ball bowled straight away

[Evilpengwinz]

Shamelessly stolen from Facebook:

If you rearrange "Shane Watson", you get "Want no Ashes".

[Acidmouse]

Jonny Bairstow dropped, weird one that...see no benefit in this.

[TightEnd]

Jonny Bairstow dropped, weird one that...see no benefit in this.

A) just trying out 5 bowlers/2nd spinner in a dead rubber

b) He didn't take his chance to prove himself this summer, so he didn't cement his place in a way that say Root did

c) there is a definite technical fault of playing across the line which he needs to eradicate before being a true test match batsman

[Acidmouse]

Jonny Bairstow dropped, weird one that...see no benefit in this.

A) just trying out 5 bowlers/2nd spinner in a dead rubber

b) He didn't take his chance to prove himself this summer, so he didn't cement his place in a way that say Root did

c) there is a definite technical fault of playing across the line which he needs to eradicate before being a true test match batsman

30 ave. can only go one way, let him play out the series and work on his technique before the next ashes.

This series he averages more then Trott, Cook, prior,  and only 5 less then Pietersen and 8 less then root. Not sure he deserved being dropped when he is still learning and the others would be considered the finished articles so to speak. How many times has he come in with top end failed? wonder how its effected his performances...just hope he comes back stronger for it.

[DungBeetle]

I know Root got a 180 or whatever it was, but his other innings have been dreadful.  Scores painfully slowly and then gets out in single figures.

Guess a big ton like that cements your place for a year or so though.  Unless you are Compton.

[TightEnd]

not strictly true, his 30 average could stay there or go down

He was the new kid on the block and didn't cement his place

He'll go to Australia in November, they will go back to 6 batsmen and he will have to make runs that series or that will be that

Obviously if the Ashes were still at stake they wouldn't have changed the balance of the side

No point displaying so much Yorkshire bias that it blinds you to the facts sir! He just hasn't been good enough this summer, neither have several others but they have 5000-8000 test match runs at 45 to fall back on....